I need some help on this topic, how do you guys distinguish between a real IOI and a false IOI? (Btw this question is more related to Day Game and Warm Approach)

I have been always a good observer and always noticed the IOI that HBs give me. But in the past two months I stumbled across two HBs 9 that I have been gaming, and in both cases they gave me false IOIs. Examples are all the usual IOIs, smile, greeting me, good kino and stuff you guys already know. But I call them false IOIs because the girls are just nice and they are not doing it because they are attracted to you. My game went downhill from there, because I basically started at comfort, interpreting the IOI and thinking I passed the Attraction stage.

So now I’m left confused about the whole IOI thing. How do YOU guys distinguish between a real IOI and a false IOI that an HB gives you? (Especially when it comes to thus ‘Nice’ girls you meet, which basically IOI everyone)

I would appreciate your suggestions and thoughts on this

V3nu

dude happened to me at this USC party it pissed me off beyond reason. i couldnt tell at all either. what i generally try and use tho as my way to differentiate between false and true ioi's is have my wingman crack a disqualifier and if she goes and ioi's him even tho he just negged her they're false and imo find a new set or use her to switch to a new set.

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V3nu - You are miss reading things here and getting things mix up. False IOI's are more when a girl is teasing you. A good example of this is a striper or an escort. They pretend to be interested and nice to you, but really they are not even remotely interested in you. What is going on with you, is that you created comfort with these girls and they are now treating you as a friend. You need to build up on attraction now. I know they are showing some physical IOI's, but a lot of those IOI's are also what girls do with friends.

jurupa thats very true, even if you see IOI's keep building the attraction, but as i said man try bringing a wingman, i think its one of the most important tools one can have when sarging. like i said have ur friend neg the girl and if she still IOI's you AND him obviously she just IOI's anyone and they are false. but what jurupa said is also true, there are IOI's some girls give out to all friends not just potential suitors, and it varies with each girl

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yah tnx guys, I get what you are saying.

But okey, then how about the 'Nice' girls, it's kinda hard to understand their IOI, if they are nice all the time to everyone, right?

Okey monspe you have your wing he goes after/before you and she shows him IOIs too, then what you do? Just give up? What if she is like a 9.5 and without a big bitch shield - nice (rare but possibly haha). I don't wanna just walk away, there has to be a way to find a way if she is just being nice or she is actually attracted to me. Right?

V3nu

call me moony, if ya dont mind

aight i know i said i was done for today with the forum but i got this one on my phone so i decided to post since im bored. (car rides f'ing suck)....

aight when it comes to what i was saying...

i send my wing in and i tell its false ioi's, what you do (if you dont leave, for gods sake please dont leave!) in my experiences is simply keep building rapport and kino, another important tool you have are your eyes man, if she starts doing some subtle things hopefully youll notice it, and if not go out and practice so next time you'll notice. Think about it shes a nice girl so shell be nice personality wise, but her BODY WONT LIE, if shes doing different IOI's to you that are unique and more elevated than those to ur friend chances are shes interested.

thats what i think. IMO the sub concious is one of the things many PUA's tend to forget is there, people scream about IOI's but understand the fundamentals about them. They are subtle acts that a human does that signals their interest, 90% its not intentional. But if shes a nice girl there are gonna be certain ones taht just appear for everyone. So just make sure you interpret them correctly (one way is using the wing method i described) and act accordingly.

hope this helps ya out man. IOI's, negs and false disqualifiers are my strong points so im glad (hopefully im helping?) to help out where i can.

remember to call me moony monspe was just what i thought of at the moment, but my friends when sarging use moony.

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hahaha okey moony, you know in your profile options you can change it?

Yah there, exactly, body language, tnx man, for some reason that didn't even come to mind when I was analyzing my situation. Sometimes when you learn the advanced stuff, you often forget about the simplest things.

Tnx MOONY

V3nu

Thats what i love about IOIs, too basic, too many times when you cannot distinguish them apart from real/fake. Look for other things.....sure fire signs that are even better that IOIs cause you cannot fake them, they will be genuine considering the subject is sober


Clumsiness
Dumbness/unique acts towards you.
Womanly Acts

If some trick is truly interested she'll be dropping a few acts from 1 of the terms above.....why? Because with those you can tell there is "obvious mental stimulation" going on. Clumsiness can be caused by preoccupation of the attention span, therefore not acknowledging typical things you would normally determine. I've seen some chicks tripping or randomly bumping into shit out of no where. Walked up to order some food, bitch trips on the carpet(wasnt even sticking up or a hazard either), I laugh, she hits me. Walking in the mall, bitch trips on the flat marble floor while paying attention to what i was saying.....blamed it on her sandals. And no these chicks didnt have gimp legs either hhahaha.

Dumbness or wtf moments...usually if your aware youll notice a few things she does that just does not seem right. That brings upon the question of Why? Why did she do this? Example: I had this chick i was unsure of(mainly because I was in a case just like yours, couldnt call it just over the basic IOIs). Had to take this chick around(this was at work ) and upon departure she was lingering around when she did not need to be. Typically a person who has no interest will be on the move, moving right along to their next place to be or place to go... no need to be around a certain area if there is not a reason...savy? Sort of those unique moments that can help you distinguish between special SPAM towards you vs. Its just the way she acts towards everybody.

Womanly Manners: My favorite thing to look for. A lot of pros wouldnt classify this as a sign but use SIMPLE LOGIC(the simple things) it ties in perfectly. This can be womanly care, cooking you food, basically WILLINGNESS to Oblige to your agenda! Some chick is not going to waste her effort towards you knowing its just going to waste(watch it there, bitches trap like this as well). You can simply judge though if shes doing it out of spite of you or because she wants something from you. Why does this happen? Becuz she wants to demonstrate shes truly a woman and that she can provide her half of relationship 50/50(instincts).

And just as proof, flip this around making it the Male to the Female. Ive been clumsy in the presence of girls of interest, having quick blank mind moments. If i like the bitch Ill be flirting with her...and if i really want to reel her in demonstrate my value as a suitable Male.


The answers are right in front of you, believe Nature, trust it! Good luck

Great post Maf tnx
Yah definitely same thing as Moony said, change in body language, where it's clumsiness or "wtf" moments haha
tnx again

V3nu

Wow a lot of good advice in this forum.

One of my favorite tests, well i do this too my ex's xD.

Is suddenly let go of there hands, and see what expression she makes and if she suddenly try's too grab it again.

Eh, im too lazy too remember the rest.

But i love doing test's too kind of reason on how much i should do everything.

Like touching her sexually or teasing and etc.

Follow the advice it's good

Shady is in that more of a kino topic ?

V3nu

v3nu aight if ur still interested i've done a bit more fielding to check this shit out.

heres wat i've noticed, when my wing goes in with me we choose who's set/target it is and wat not. The secret to true IOI's doesnt involve any falesness or whatever from what ive seen now, if you can tell its completely involuntary and not like purposefully done, it cant possibly not be genuine since she didnt mean to do it but subconciously did. the wing test does that to show what her false ioi's will be, so you know what to look for, and anything thats only towards you (hopefully will be this) will be genuine ioi's

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-moony

v3nu aight if ur still interested i've done a bit more fielding to check this shit out.

heres wat i've noticed, when my wing goes in with me we choose who's set/target it is and wat not. The secret to true IOI's doesnt involve any falesness or whatever from what ive seen now, if you can tell its completely involuntary and not like purposefully done, it cant possibly not be genuine since she didnt mean to do it but subconciously did. the wing test does that to show what her false ioi's will be, so you know what to look for, and anything thats only towards you (hopefully will be this) will be genuine ioi's

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-moony