Chief: Thanks for sharing your insights. Something you said makes me ask you, that if Any Chemical release is temp. then how could that give a girl the feeling of being or wanting to be in a relationship. Or,

Is it because when a girl has sex she has invested a lot in the the guy already and hence its logical to her to be in a relationship.

I asked my questions because I know of people dating for 2 yrs and marring as virgins. But to your example of pissing, I havent seen a girl pissing while she is standing.

It is my belief that any guy who wants to make a girl feel like she should be in a relationship with him is an AFC. Refer to the last paragraph in my first response to you in this thread:

"Also, AFCs often try to jump into relationships as soon as possible, regardless of whether or not they have sex with the woman, because they have a scarcity mentality. They try to stake some claim on a woman as soon as they can in order to attempt to maximize their reproductive success in what is actually an ineffective way of doing so."
Logical decisions have absolutely nothing to do with anything here.
Go to any college bar bathroom during ladies night.

It sounds like sex is important in Starting a relationship. However, if you step out of the the western world I have experienced cultures where it is very much normal for people to be in long term relationships without sexually being involved. So the whole argument of being normal doesn't hold true if in the eastern world it is natual to such relationships. Is your justification limited to the western world alone, curious?
I agree . I get this.
I'll leave that pleasure for teenage boys !!

I'm not talking about statistical norms or cultural norms. I'm talking about what is most congruent with human nature, biologically and evolutionarily.

Alright look, the chick was 18 and only fucked one other guy, you push too hard and you lose attraction because she thinks you just wanna fuck her. TRUUUEEEE!

But, she wants to have a relationship in order to have sex. I didn't push for the relationship I said that their is a strong possibility and hinted for it, that is NOT AFC Chief I am not acting needy. Never met a girl with the mental capacity as her, I could fuck just as fine booty call club sluts if I wanted too, I would rather have her

and thats real

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"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."----Wayne Gretzkey

So, regardless of the sex, do you want a relationship with her or not? You have to be very clear as to what your own intentions are.

Hey Chief, I have read about 6 of the past pages, and it seems that about 90% of this stuff is inner game issues, is there any boot camp videos that you would suggest? to maybe eliminate allot of these questions?

I have a question of my own,

Each unique person has reached a different level of thinking, the person can only observe their former or current self due to their actualizations, to make it easy lets say a AFC and a PUA, the PUA has had a shitload of epiphanies to reach his new state of enlightenment,

So what i'm wondering is if you can give a general statement about what level you are at, and where do you think you are heading in the future,

What are some things that you studied that where a waist of time, or didn't give you much valuable information, and what where some that you look back and just are like WOW i am so glad i came across that.(not only as a PUA but more as inner game)

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-Dre

If your going to question me, you better have a theory behind your argument.

"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."
-Harvey Fierstein

I would definitely recommend going through MY workshop since the entire first day is all about actively developing Inner Game for approximately 7 whole hours, but as of now I can almost guarantee you that you won't be able to get a hold of the footage from any of them.

However, you can just as easily learn from the sources I have learned from. I've already harped on the awesomeness of RSD's Blueprint De-coded program countless times. IMO it's the best video product out there for developing Inner Game. Newbies will probably get lost a lot, though, but that's OK since this whole pickup thing is a bigass journey anyway.
I haven't responded to this thread in a while because this was a pretty difficult question. I like it.

In my workshops I teach of these developmental stages in an archetypal model of a man's journey in learning pickup. I have not experienced all of these stages fully but I guarantee that I'm basing this model on sound sources. Your question was especially challenging to think about because these days I, at the ripe age of 19, am almost always feeling like I'm in a transitory (transitional?) phase from one stage to another in my pickup journey.

If I had to take a step back and really scrutinize where I am at this very moment, I would have to say that I am currently at a level where I am slowly beginning to unravel a relatively deep layer of my potential to inspire people either into bed and/or onto the path of realizing their own light within. At the same time, I'm dealing with issues such as constantly battling my ego. I am also trying out many new things (some of which are original ideas about seduction, some not) and that occasionally knocks me back a few steps due to all the trial and error. The fact that I am trying completely new things nowadays obscures my perspective of where I am at somewhat.

As for my Inner Game, it's been the best for me yet. I recognize that I am nowhere near my full potential, even in terms of Inner Game, but I can't help but to be really proud of myself for the dramatic overall progress I've made since 2003. This is a genuine pride of an accomplishment that only I know the true nature of - and I think it's mutually exclusive from my ego - which makes it a very useful tool that I use to amplify my confidence and sex appeal. If I had to compare myself to other people, my Inner Game is probably somewhere in the top 5 to 10 percent of everyone that I actually know IRL. Speaking purely in terms of CORE CONFIDENCE, I'm probably in the top 15 percent of everyone I know IRL. Note that I actively associate myself with passionate people while disassociating myself from unmotivated losers with shit-poor Inner Game. I recognize that I still have a few inner demons to deal with.

In terms of cold hard results, I've been having some wonderful FWB relationships that keep me entertained. Yes, I'm still getting flat-out rejected from some girls because of screw ups and miscalibrated experimentations of new methods and techniques, etc. I'm even still screwing up a few logistics here and there that prevent girls that are genuinely hooked and attracted to me from getting the opportunity to share a wrestling match in bed with me. I am very happy with the results I have right now, but I'm still working harder for more. My current motivation to "get more" is the opportunity to explore this giant world of humanity in hopes of finding even more fun. You can never have too much fun.

For the past several months I've been beginning to see some new sexual things in the field and in the subcommunications of the women I interact with. More on that development later...

It seems as though I still need some work on honing in on my target audience, meaning that I'm still kinda far from knowing my "ideal type" of woman to seduce, because I'm still initially misreading some "types." I think this is relatively advanced shit, though.

Physiologically speaking, a lot of the positive points in my Inner Game and in my happiness is probably due to the fact that I am actually getting laid. If you somehow took away my sex, I actually wouldn't know how I'd feel. This is also making me strongly consider the possibility that indulgence, although considered a sin by many religious standards, is a vital key to happiness in life. Note the difference between indulgence and compulsion.

As for what's ahead of me, I will probably desire taking a long break from the community in the near future. After that, I expect to have some revolutionary shifts in my perspective that will bring me closer to realizing who I really am as a man and as a seductive human being.

As a side note, I am able to track my overall progress and take a detailed introspective look of myself really well largely due to the fact that I write really detailed Field Reports and Lay Reports and re-read them from time to time. I encourage everyone to do the same.
Almost every experienced PUA looks back at something they learned early on and think that it's bullshit. Regular users in the PUA chat room have definitely seen me bag on certain seduction methods and gurus a lot. However, it's never really fair to talk shit about the theories and methods you that you have learned from previous stages in your education and experiences.

You never really know for sure if what you have learned before has played a significant role in building the foundation for what you know and use today. You never really know for sure if what you have learned before has affected you subconsciously in a beneficial way that gave you the useful skills and habits you have today. What may seem to have been a useless "bullshit" stage to go through may have been completely necessary to move forward to where you are now.

That being said, I'm a big fan of Positive Psychology.

Pointing out specific things that may have been big wastes of time won't do much good because:
1. There will more than likely be an unfair judgment.
2. Whatever you focus your thoughts on the most shall become your reality, so thinking about negative things will only make your life more negative. In fact, actively avoiding something only invites it.

Instead, focusing on the positive by occupying your thoughts with the things that are "like WOW i am so glad i came across that" will be infinitely more beneficial to your development.

I have already mentioned Blueprint too many times. Everyone should watch that shit immediately. Here are other amazing resources that I highly recommend (in no particular order):
*The Way of the Superior Man by David Deida
*The Zen of Meeting Women by Max Weiss
The Attraction Code by Vin DiCarlo
Objection Game by Vin DiCarlo (mini ebook that comes with The Attraction Code)
Gunwitch Method by Gunwitch
Enlightened Seduction by Zan Perrion
College Dating Domination by Mark Redman (for undergrad university guys)
*Fight Club (movie starring Brad Pitt)
Don Juan DeMarco (movie starring Johnny Depp)

*The ones with a star next to them are mostly for awesome Inner Game.

Thanks for the excellent questions, Dre.

Ever since i came to Ireland when i was 10 i became more depressed day by day
. There is nothing to do here and the case was that there were no beautiful women that would have met my standards before. But now it has gotten to the point where i just don't care even though i am surrounded by beautiful women. I feel like i am an unaccomplished person who's an embarrassment to my family.

I go to college , I am 19 years of age, jobless and officially women less. I am depressed nearly every day which is eventually gonna leave me to having zero friends since i am becoming more and more distant from humanity.

This is my story and i am asking you guys to give me some suggestions to heal my mind and maybe if you can, inspire me or motivate me to try.

Rock bottom. You're almost there. Once your feet touch the bottom of the pool you'll be able to bend your knees and spring yourself up.

"It's only once we've lost everything are we free to do anything." - Tyler Durden from Fight Club

Approach a woman. Do you have Approach Anxiety? That means you're afraid of losing something. Once you have nothing to lose, you lose the fear because you simply won't give a fuck. If you're at rock bottom, you're free to try anything and everything and you will therefore succeed.

The shortcut one can take is to simply decide to not give a fuck, but most people are too much of a pussy to do that.

When are you going to visit me in FL?

We can be naughty on the "Its a small world" ride

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"To Give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift" -Prefontaine

Not a PUA just a girl offering my opinions/advice

Riddle me this.....

....if there is no such thing as a "stupid" question....

...is there such a thing as an "advanced" question???

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The hotter they are, the harder they fall....for me.

Trust me; there is such thing as a stupid question.

I had a question and wante dto see how you guys feel about it. After months of doing this PUA thing I was wondering, how is a PUA different from a Scam artist. We mesmerize women, capture their imagination and finally screw them.

Chief or any of the MPUAs here, How is Pick up different than a well thought out great scam to screw people

For the sake of communicating coherent information, I will choose to not take any offense to that comparison!

A scam artist takes. A pickup artist shares.

You're still thinking about pickup in terms of "She has something that I want and I will do these tricks to take it from her." That's completely wrong-headed. Pickup and seduction is about liberating a woman from social stigmas and giving her pleasure. Imagine a musician performing for an audience. He's sharing his emotional states with others and creating a wonderful experience for everyone.

Just as a PUA shouldn't trick a woman into having sex when she doesn't want to, a musician shouldn't perform for an audience that doesn't want to hear his music.

The fact that you see seduction as some form of taking, like sticking your hand in the cookie jar, tells me that you've still got a ton of Inner Game issues and sexual hangups to sort out. Good luck.