May be you as me read tons of openers , approach tactics , bullshits as whos better superman or spiderman / which when i read go in the toilet and take a giant crap out of me and so on. The topic i post here is because while i reading the swinggcat 's pickup book i actually found the supergood and original , cocky and highly dhv pick-up line . Here it is :
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"You seem like you might be adventurous, are you?"
If they say "yes" (which they often times do, and if they don't, then l am not
interested in them anyways), then l say:
"good because if you weren't l was going to walk away because l am only
friends with adventurous people...And even though you might be adventurous,
I don't know if this friendship is going to work out because l am not sure you
can handle me."
They will usually respond by reaffirming that they are adventurous or saying,
"I don't know if you can handle me?"
I usually will respond to this by saying: "What's the most adventurous thing
you have done in the last year".
After they tell me, I might say something such as: "I was starting to think l was
a little much for you...but maybe this will work out"
Then l might say: "Are you spontaneous?"
If they say yes, then l might shoot back with: "Good, then we can hang out.
But l don't know how spontaneous you are yet, so l can't introduce you to my
cool friends because they might think you are a square and l wouldn't want
you to embarrass me in front of them" (the key is to do this in a kind of tongue
and cheek way. If you are too intense about it, you risk scaring the girl away--
especially if she is frigid).
Then challenge them by asking them either what makes them spontaneous or
by asking them what the most spontaneous thing they have done in the last
year is.
If they give me a sexual response to either being adventurous or
spontaneous, then l can skip the next step. But if they don't give me a sexual
response (this is actually kinda rare) I will ask them about the craziest place
they ever had sex.
I am sure that some of you are thinking: how can he do this so early on in the
conversation? The reason "I can" is that l have already gotten them to commit
to being adventurous and spontaneous, so, through the principle of
commitment and consistency, they have to be consistent with what they have
committed to. If they act prudish, then l will accuse them of lying about being
adventurous and spontaneous.
Once they tell you the craziest place they ever had sex, they will usually ask
you the same question, to which you better come up with a story that is even
more adventurous than theirs (Remember, the subtext you are trying to get
across is that you are looking for an adventurous girl, but no matter how
adventurous she is, she is not quite as adventurous as you.).
Then l might talk about kissing. Then l might say to her: if you were in kissing
school, what grade would your teacher give you as a kisser? They usually will
say an A (beautiful women want to sustain their value as beautiful women).
Then l kiss them. Why does this work? This works because l am challenging
three things she has committed to being true about who she is: How
adventurous she is, how spontaneous she is, and how good of a kisser she is.
If she does not live up to the challenge, she will come across as a liar--and
women hate having the reputation of being a liar.
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After all shits i read this is one of the best materials.

I know this material, I think Swingcat is pretty good, his push/pull techniques are very powerful. Only I don't get all his stuff. For example this:

"You seem like you might be adventurous, are you?"
If they say "yes" (which they often times do...

If he means this to use as an opening line, it may work but I think often it will be perceived as too exaggerated to say it as the first thing you tell a HB. However, combining it with an appropriate opener, it should in many cases. It's too challenging and and that a HB will be turned often.

I think if there was a way to imply subtly that you think she is not interesting, spontanous etc., than it would do magic. But we have DHV thing, and this should do it.

Anybody used this one as an opener?

And is there some material on some good and powerful DHV ?

Noone said that this is the opener , You can Just say sth like : Are you shy or something , becaouse i stay here around 10 minutes and u didnt said hi to me. And fist i though u are adventurous type but now i dont think soo . bla bla bla ........
Or Hi there , i want your opinion on something .............. , but before i ask u i wonder if u are adventurous , arent u . / After the whole routine she wil lcomplete forgot with what u open her.

OK, so you have almost an entire interaction planned out. Well ok, what happens if you go through the ENTIRE interaction with her, as posted, (not!) and at the very end, it turns out she isn't even interested in you? Nice work. But heres the ROCK BOTTOM TRUTH, A woman CAN AND WILL, tell if you are a future potential lover within the first couple of seconds of seeing you.(based on your body language etc.)

Women aren't robots, and if you continue to act as such, they will surelyy be HAPPY to reject you. GOing up and smiling and saying hi, how are you doing, while making direct eye contact is the BEST opener in the world. Period.

Ohhhhh my god. It is the same always. When you tell something that is obviously nice and you perfectize it there always come someone to say that there is any problems if you make this and that. It is logicaly that if during this I spit in the face of her she will said to me "fuck off peasant" , Or i go to her and start to reading the whole situation because i am mentaly retarded and can't remember 6 sentenses , OK . I can tell you that if you have the courage to do this to some HB7+ You will 100% read somewhere for the basics of body language and will look her in the eye with your shoulders back bla bla lbalbalabal . Actually With this tread i tell u that if you are ALFA enough and do this will have the same effect as if you pick up and told dhv stories for about 20 minutes , for someone grandmothers and how anyone else 's girlfriend cheat him 10 times or something like that .
See all is to your style i ordinary dont prefer , to open with something idiot shit openeing like (may be i read tons of them here . Red or Blue .? You have something in the hair ( neg opener ) , who do you prefer superman or spiderman (in which in my country the girls will laugh at you 10 minutes - bitches- ) /////// and after that to start dhv with stories . Attraction is pushing and pulling , it works for me , that is.

I would walk away if someone started a convo like that with me....

"Are you shy or something , becaouse i stay here around 10 minutes and u didnt said hi to me. And fist i though u are adventurous type but now i dont think soo . bla bla bla ........ "

I like this one. Maybe it's even better to leave 'adventurous'-thing out. If done with correct body language, the girl will get shy indeed, which you can use by busting on her playfully: "ohh you are really shy. You seem nervous too al the time". She will probably qualify herself by saying: ' Oh no, not at all", meaning the game is on. If lucky, she may say "what makes you think that?" or even "guys are expected to open up", which is even better.

Good icebreaker, I agree with rximmortal! I think you can use it anytime in a bar, regardless whether she is shy or not, if you know how to follow up. Worst case scenario: you have a chat and no close, but who gives a f**k, it keeps you sharpened for the rest of the night. My humble opinon!

Thanks gamer_nl for your understanding. Here i must say something for this pick up literature at all. As i can remember the first pua materials that i read was something chained with NLP which was talking about that if the girl imagine any emotion she will feel it too ....... and the "pua" talk about how with words you go to the sex for around 10-15 minutes LOL. Anyway In real life the girl will take you as freak . After that i learn the word pick up artist -> pua . / And was verry happy / ANd this is where it all begun. I read the Mystery 's book , which is very simple for understanding in my opinion. But there is one general mistake i think. Because your all game is split in (how much they was ... .. . . about 9 phases a123c123s123) you starting to think more about in which part what must you do instead of doing some cool stuffs in real. It was Usefull at all (as 1st one). After this i take david deangelo's book , actually i didnt remmember a lot of it right now / Guess why / Because half of the book is with phrase / Are you with me !/ Damnnnnnnnnnn the man want to understand the whole logic of the things bla bla bla and at last .... / black whole / empty space / . And what happened than i am stuck and trying all the stuffs i learn but something is not perfect . And this is That The bitch that you trying to seduce is On the top . You start thinking for her more than she will ever think for something . / Is that love -------------- BULSHITS / I dismiss that word . And i am happy . ANd One day When you understand that something is not as it must be in your imagines , you said to yourself WTF I DO Wrong , i read the books , i seduce woman as Someone better than me in puas said and it works in some ways bla bla ... . .. . . BUT there is something more. And i goes back to Forums and talk about with some guy from my country that practice pua and make money of that . And He said to me this : .
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------That if i even can imagine how uninportant is what you said to her , and realise it , You Will never enter in pick up forum again. And the only one matters is your FRAME. / And this is the F...ing word THE FRAME . He said : " The Women are not so stupid as the pua books makes them , And you can hardly make fool of them with some storyies and canned materials - The only one thing that these things make is that they buy you time in which she can see how cool you are . But this happened from the things between this matterial ( dhv storyes and canned stuffs) THey way you react and respond to her answeres and shits . The Main thing is The FRAME.
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After which i was stunned , I go in google and tabbed / pick up frame / and lucky me i found the book Swinggcat - Real World Seduction . The book Concentrate on PUSH PULL AND Framing. And THe Main that the book teach you is THAT YOU are the PRIZE. And this was the missing peace of the puzzle . After that all come to his place. If The girl accept you as the PRIZE , Now there will not be any closed doors for you
Now i am waiting to hear most of your comments for that how i talk against Mystery and DeAngelo .. . . . .. . . . . . OK ./ For those that write about this , i can only say : Poor you /