OK, so there’s a problem I encountered recently. I was out with Drax in the club. There’s this group of girls, the hottest one is this blonde. She’s a bit stuck up, you can tell. So…. I start dancing the way I do (Justin Timerlake-meets Neyo-meets Prodigy addicted raver). This always attracts attention and is like a social value producing machine. Woman are like small children, you pull out a rattle or something and you have their attention, well my dancing has the same effect.

The group notice it and the hot one comes and starts dancing with me. I’m the centre of attention, she wants to be the centre of attention so she has to come and stand next to me.

We dance, we grind a little, she backs into me but is moving in and out, in and out. I go caveman and grab her by the waist, pulling her into me… she likes this. Than, the problem…..

Her friend, the short ugly one, comes in “oh no” she says, pulling her away from me and hugging her.

Now, this has happened before. It’s always the unattractive friend who thinks “If I can’t get any guys to dance with me I don’t want any of them dancing with my hot friend”. I usually get all pissed off and unleash a tirade “Hey, she can speak for herself…. I said SHE CAN SPEAK FOR HERSELF!!!” I should probably remember that I’m dealing with someone with a negative self image…. But they piss me off.

OK, so now I’m thinking “shit”. Starting an argument is gonna kill it completely. So I’m there with Drax, asking him “shit, what does the book say?” He tries to distract the ugly friend with some lines but to no avail.

So my question is this: Does anyone have an effective technique for neutralizing the obstacle in this context?

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You're in the presence of a living legend! Where do I begin? Well... it started with the dancing... that's how the trouble always starts...

Sounds like Drax should of been a better wing for u bro, Ive had wings who have sacraficed their time to hold off UBF (ugly best friend) so that I can whisk the 10/9/8 into isolation. I think u just spent too much time showing her your dance moves n not enuff time showing her ur moves.

If ud danced a lil then taken her by her hand and gone to a quiet corner, there wudda been less chance UBF would of spotted u etc. I take it u continued to dance with this girl right infront of her friends??

The story of isolation is one of the key reasons people are hitting the roadblock, they think they can go from chatting to a girl in a group to jumpin into bed, u need to be able to get her on her own, no distractions, so u can fill her mind with nice suggestion and mental images of what u wanna do to her lol

Zikki -

“Ive had wings who have sacraficed their time to hold off UBF (ugly best friend)” What physically hold off? Lol, how long before the bouncers ejected them?

“Sounds like Drax should of been a better wing for u bro”. Fantastic! However, worthless unless you say what he should have done. The hot girl’s repugnant friend was physically wrapped around her!

“I think u just spent too much time showing her your dance moves n not enuff time showing her ur moves”. I know what you’re driving at…. But why do you think I grabbed her and pulled her into me? It wasn’t to ask for directions

“I take it u continued to dance with this girl right infront of her friends??” No. She came to dance with me, her friends were sitting down. When they saw what was happening they all came, followed us and gathered round, I have that effect.

Mate, I appreciate your advice but this is stuff most people already know. The problem is that I got cut off whilst I was implementing all this. Listen, I do this very often and I’m not usually blocked cos of how I do it. But the other night this little piggy steams in “no, no, no” pulling her friend away.

My question remains the same, unanswered: Does anyone have an effective technique for neutralizing the obstacle in this context?

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You're in the presence of a living legend! Where do I begin? Well... it started with the dancing... that's how the trouble always starts...

Okay, for this particular situation, your wing should have jumped on the grenade for you. . . you let them get back to their little corner, you guys go the bar, grab a glass of water, exchange strategies, and then boom, you both go in, full steam, no distractions, hopefully you make eye contact with the chick you were with. Once that happens, you zone in, no one else matters. Conversation ensues, blah blah blah, "So everyone ready for round two?" and you take her by the hand and lead her to the dance floor. Your wing does the same thing, and dances with the porker while you get the rapport up again. Before the song ends, you whisper in her ear, and ask her to come with you for some air. Always put your wing in between you and the friend, hopefully she will be so busy that she actually has SOMEONE dancing with her, she wont worry about the friend, but if she is still worried, the wing in between will also allow for the chances of her seeing you two leaving miniscule. Once isolated, continue game. after getting number, k-close, or about to leave for f-close, go to the friend, tell him he is off the hook. Make up some excuse that a friend of yours is in some trouble at another bar, and you have to leave. She will probably try to get your number, tell her to talk to her friend. Promise you will hang out, and eject. If your good, you can text the girl you WANT to be with, and have a location change. . . whatever, this would have been my strategy for disarming the the UBF.

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"Everyone's got a little captn in 'em"

Armando sorry u took my post so offensively, kinda assume everyone is AFC until proven otherwise lol.

Yeah I think alot of the problem is effective wing man training, I know I cant rely on my wings for shit, they both AFC and neither get the game the way I do.

I think the only way to keep the LMR bitchshielding munter away is to have a wing man who willing to lay it down for you. Sometimes being a wing comes with great sacrafice but sumtimes its the only way to learn.

I got it worse, I got an AFC Wing who thinks he above it all or summin and gets all narky with me when I have to AMOG myself to the ladies. If he played it kool he would get plenty of peel off girls once I got to the centre lol.

I think if u hitting it up with Drax alot you to need to discuss the wingman system and maybe take it in turns being Wing and AMOG. Its always good knowing how to be an understudy even if u spend your whole life on the stage.

That or just set the fatfriend onto a proper red herring, mention some guy u saw loitering around and point out he was paying her attention in the mean time finding decent isolation spot.

Get a better opener, not ever set is going to come to you on the dance floor.

Get a better wing man, he should of done something.

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-Dre

If your going to question me, you better have a theory behind your argument.

"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."
-Harvey Fierstein

Okay everyone sounds like I did not do my best as wing. I am fine for you to make that kind of comment. However please inform how in this situation a main man and wing should best combat situation? I know all of what you have said about me distracting ubf, isolating them by going to bar etc etc. That's a given, everyone knows that. What we want is advice from people that is helpful. Too many of you come on here and simply critiscize but you don't actually offer any useful example insights.

the balls in your court

Hmm, I was pretty sure I gave some direct examples of what you could have done. almost a checklist even.

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"Everyone's got a little captn in 'em"

i have to agree, maybe next time you should actually read what we say, instead of assuming everyone is going to make fun of you, very AFC-like

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-Dre

If your going to question me, you better have a theory behind your argument.

"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."
-Harvey Fierstein

Whats the best way to distract a UBF in a club. Get her on the dance floor man. The idea is to make it so the UBF is having so much fun she forgets about her friend or in most cases just don't care WTF she is doing. Sitting down and talking to her or getting drinks isn't always going to do it.

Bring her over to the dancefloor. Have fun with both of them. It is like, Ok I like your friend but Im nog gonna steal her and leave you all by yourself, just tag along and we can all have a good time. Charm her too and she will tell her hot friend what a good guy you are... When they are alone. Never underestimte the advice of a best friend.

Zikki – No worries mate, thanks for the advice.

Captn – Thanks for that. In fairness to Drax though he did try to neutralize the obstacle. He tried to talk to her or get her to dance with him but as soon as he opened his mouth to her she cut him off with “no, no, no…. we don’t wanna talk to you!” “We?.... WE!!!!” She should speak for herself!!! Like I said this is not normally a problem… isolation and distraction of obstacle have been utilized effectively in the past, but this time the obstacle was sticky… irritating also, like chewing gum on the sole of your shoe. Maybe a cooling off period would have helped with this or what Zikki suggested about feeding her a story about seeing a guy who looked interested in her.

Call Me Dr – What? You again? Are you committed to following me round from post to post, taking up valuable space on my threads with useless comments? “Get a better opener…. Get a better wing man”. No “chump” this time? Lol, I guess you’ve learnt your lesson after that mistake

We’ve been through this already…. Remember the other post, “Armando’s approach to Online Sarging”, where I humiliated you and your friends? I was also kind enough to explain the difference between being constructive and just being negative cos you’re a little hater. Oh, I get it, you’re still reeling from that 3rd round stoppage…. Ha ha ha. I can see you’ve got an ulterior motive for posting on my thread…. Drax should “listen to what we say”? “We”? There’s no “we”… there’s Zikki, Captn, Enzo and They Call Me Smooth who have said something constructive and than there’s you…. who has only posted on here because you are upset you got schooled on another thread.

Guys - I’m gonna put all this together and see how I can improve so that next time this hideous monster gets in the way I can deal with the obstacle accordingly.

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You're in the presence of a living legend! Where do I begin? Well... it started with the dancing... that's how the trouble always starts...