Guys,

I am wondering what the more effective way of sarging is: instant messaging or Facebook.

I have the feeling that sarging on MSN does not allow for building anticipation in a HB>8 than facebook as the guy is prone to start talking to her each time he notices her onine. The talk starts intensively and after some 10-20 minutes things slow down big time. Giving in to impatience and neediness seems easier than on facebook. And this results in SPAM too much of yourself too early in the game and you end up without any type of close.

Maybe its because of the fact that I visit facebook just once or twice a day, while I am more often on MSN. On facebook often, when things go smooth, I am able to n-close with 10 messages (approximately a week). What I used to do earlier is trying to get the HB to MSN as soon as possible in order to build rapport. But I think building attraction and rapport can be done at least as effective on facebook by only using the anticipation factor. So maybe it's good simply skip the MSN part completely.

Can anybody relate to this? Could the anticipation factor play such an important role here?

About instant messaging:
I think its pretty useless to instant message a HB>8 each day longer than 5 minutes (if it's even possible) for a whole week or more. I think when instant messaging, the the guy should always end the conversation first and exactly at the point when he is unwilling to end it, because it goes so well for the moment so he assumes it will stay that way or even get better. However, things often seem to cool down and the guy (me) ends up wondering what happened. Setting the false time constraint here seems to do magic, at least for me, as the girl is usually the one who opens first the next time I appear online. When I do this right, the n-close (date) is a fact in 95% of cases. It's pretty fu**ed up, dirty and manipulative, but it seems to work better. I have the feeling that, when IM is going very well (how short it either is), setting a false time constraints lands pretty much as a perfect neg and forces her to open up first the very next time she takes notice of you being online.
Anyone played conciously with FTC's online, on IM , facebook or whatever?

Here I have a some extreme example. Two days ago a HB8 added me as a friend on a chat site. When I checked her profile out I see her with one of my female friends so I figure out she has something to do with it. I just accepted her as a friend on the chat site. The next day I go to this female friend for coffee and when I get there I find this HB sitting on her couch. We open up in a very smooth way. The girl displays a lot IOI's. My female friend winks me friendly to indicate that she knows what's going on here. When the HB8 is away for a second (bathroom or whatever) I mention to my female friend: "what a coincidence I find her on here". She responds with: "yes, indeed..". I make a comment that I like her in a playful way, she picks it up and responds with: "this is not a playgirl, you should watch out..". After a hour the HB8 leaves and invites us (my female friend, her boy friend and me, we are there with 4 of us) to come over to her place to watch a movie, some social-cultural stuff.
We respond with "yeah that would be cool, she gets up says alright I might see you then" and turns to me deliberately and says "see you online or maybe by other means", laughs and walks away. Two days later I send her my first msg online, she is very responsive, mentions something we talked about the other night and ends her msg with "see you maybe at the movienight:)". Note: i didn't mention anything about the movie in my msg.

Well, to me it seems obvious: these are some powerful IOIs!

Back to this movie stuff now. It is not 100% sure my friends are going. It is likely that she invites me only. I have not yet n-closed as we exchanged only one msg online. I intend to n-close today or tomorrow and if she invites me, and this will be online, I may turn the invitation down friendly (FTC) and mention we should go out sometime for a cup of coffee or I will come by an other time.

Is this wise or is it unnecessary?


At the same time, I am playing with another girl (HB7). I have n-closed a few days ago and mentioned that I will call her soon to go out for a cup of coffee. Shortly after the n-close I used a FTC. Since then, she is the one who opens first when I get online (MSN) and this has happened 4-5 times already. In all these cases I end the convo by a time constraint, either false or not (often false).
She keeps coming!
I use this stuff also with two other girls (but these are HB6) and it's driving them crazy. There a few other HB>8 but I have not tried this consequently on them yet.
So, I am starting to believe that this is some solid online gaming. What do you think?

NO IT IS NOT WISE!!!

if shes inviting you to her place with all these huge IOIs...weither her friends are there or not...she is literally saying "You wanna come over to my house and fuck my brains out big boy?"

just keep your game up while your there and you'll be fine...even if her friends are there...just wait till they leave...

orlando, read the second part of my post, you were to early

I have the idea that the pure anticipation factor here does it all...

By the way, six months ago I pulled something similar on HB9, maybe 10, however its was natural game, pure coincidence (didn't even know PUA existed then). When I met her for real it turned out she is 5.11" tall, gorgeous, classy and smart. I am 5.10", so I was blast away. We had a pretty good evening until the bar tender came and threw us almost literally out as the bar closed. But nothing further happened, I turned simply into a wuss and screwed things up pretty quickly (again: didn't know PUAs even existed)