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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:49 am 
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Recently I had to differ between something called a rejection and resistance.

I honestly cannot tell the different and I treat both as the same thus making me next the girl and not initiating any further contact with her. Im not talking specificly about sexual resistance and rejection im talking about the stage before having sex with the girl. For example , If I call a girl for a D2 and she tells me she is busy with her friends I usually just put it in my mind that it woudnt work out. If I talk to a girl and she aint complying Ill try to further the compliance and if it still gets a level of negative feed back I next her.
They way I see it is that resistance is nicer than rejection. By pushing things a little harder you'll get a clear answer.

Case in point:
I might call a girl who I arranged to meet later and she says "I don't feel like it, i'm tired". I might say "okay no problem,maybe next time" and i'd never know if it was rejection or resistance. Better is for me to say "Fuck that, come and have some fun, I could have made other plans but I didn't so lets do what we planned, how long does it take you to get to X? Cool so 30 mins to get ready, 20 mins to get there, i'll see you in an hour". This'll give me a clearer answer to what is going on.

Of course, with thousands of interactions, you get intuition for what is going on so I don't get rejected - not becuase i'm bullet proof but because I don't go for it when I know the answer is no!

Another good way to look at things is that I like girls that are tough. I don't want a girl that is easy - that means any guy could have her. If she gives me shit, or is difficult, great. You want your girlfriend to be a girl that was tough to get, so you never wonder if ANY guy could have gotten her.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:55 am 
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how do you build social proof when you have a 10PM curfew. have friends who are not very outgoing.
Play to your strengths. Not everyone uses social proof to get girls. It's one tool that you can use. You could focus on day game. The guys I know that are mainly day game guys get more dates and hotter girls than the night game specialists.
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Gambler... for the prize... Is it Kezia??????!
Which prize? The one in the video? If so, that competition ended and the answer was Claire Forlani. I still have a caption competition running on the blog though so you could go a check that out:
http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2009 ... tic-prize/


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:58 am 
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hey man,
This might sound a little weird to you, but i just see myself in you. The way you speak (i saw an interview), ive not seen you in field though.

I notice that I have a similar boring voice vibe as yours, no offence.
A lot like James dean. Your obviously not qualifying yourself when speaking like that.

Can you break that up for me?

cheers


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:57 pm 
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Hey mate, It was on my list since the beginning to do some voice coaching. Having a voice like George Clooney or my friend Anthony P definitely adds something to your success. We trained an actor once and his voice was so good that girls would listen to him no matter what he was saying.

I never got around to it because I didn't need to, I started getting the results I wanted anyway. It might still be something that happens if I get more TV/film work, but for now I don't see it as something that holds me back.

Something interesting is that when I originally trained with someone 3 years ago, he told me I needed to speak louder. I never got into the voice projection thing and that has helped me massively in my night club game. I use non-verbal game and the girls get close to me so that we can talk, it's much more intimate and the energy is much more sexual.


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I get what your saying man. But you cant deny the fact that looks have got NOTHING to do with it.

Non verbal game, with good looks and not saying the wrong things.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:15 pm 
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Hey Hobbit,

Good question! And yes, I always get that.

When I was young I was called ugly at school. From 14-21, I had a bunch of times when girls at school would call me ugly, random people in the street would say things, etc. I have no pictures of me from that time, but even in the ones from when I started getting better looking you can see that I didn't look good (these are on my facebook).
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My first girlfriend was writing an email to her friend about me saying "he isn't very handsome but he's really nice". She's like a 5.

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Note - that isn't how her face always looks she was doing a silly face.

I used to have all kinds of insecurities, including about my looks.

To transform I:
-Spent a couple of years fixing my fashion
-Became a happy, confident person.
-Worked on my body language.
-Spent 6 months modelling actors
-Slept with beautiful women
-Removed all my nervous ticks and unattractive mannerisms and developed awareness.

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In pictures you also have to remember that i'm a master poser ;) from those months of modelling actors.

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Now i've chilled out on consciously being aware of how I look at all times so don't get as many people telling me I look like actors - used to be 5x a night i'd get Tom Cruise or Collin Farell. But I did it for long enough that I no longer make mistakes and there's been a residual effect that's lasted. [/img]


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:57 pm 
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Hey Gambler,

Right here is my problem - Picture this - I am in a set, i have isolated and made things sexual, she wants it, i want it but i dont know where to take it from here. My question is how do i get from this stage to sex considering she is with a group of friends and planning on going someone else with them?

P.S. I loved the natural art


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:00 pm 
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Hey Butterfield,

Thanks for the question. So...did you kiss her already? In some cases, like if she lives with them and needs to drive them home or she has the only key, then it's better to arrange a solid date for just the two of you for another night. You might need incredible game to take her home that night when you'd be able to do it really easily the 2nd time when its just the two of you.

If you have wingmen or she is with a big group that can look after themselves, you should be able to sneak her away by suggesting you two go somewhere else. You could take her for a walk or to get food or to go to another bar/club and say you'll hook up with them in an hour or so. Then just never come back.

If you've kissed her and she is in to you, then getting her away from her friends should be pretty easy. Trying it too early in the night before she's had a chance to drink and dance makes it harder.

Sometimes I just steal the girl away from her friends and leave the club, sometimes I go back to their place with all of them and get with her, sometimes I invite them all to my or a friend's house and then take her to my room.

-R


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Thanks for the answer. One more question though - did you or do you drink when you sarge?


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Thanks for the answer. One more question though - did you or do you drink when you sarge?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:00 am 
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I used to never drink. I'd go out every day, do loads of approaches and never touch alcohol. Then I started going to better clubs and getting offered free drinks so I started drinking sometimes. Now, i'll drink once a week when we are having a big night out and be sober the rest of the time. If I go out and don't drink and dance, i'm usually too tired and too distracted by all the business things I need to do. I have 2-4 drinks and I know when to stop so don't get drunk.

I either drink 2-4 drinks or drink no alcohol at all, I don't just have one. This keeps my tolerance low so I don't end up drinking loads. I don't drink beer, only vodka or cocktails.

I tell students to not drink if they rely on it, and to get used to gaming sober first because it will help them remember and analyse situations and also save them a lot of money. For me, it's kind of hard-wired now so I go out and things just happen. Getting it all for free helps too!


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:50 am 
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Hey Gambler,
GREAT tutorial you have here, I'm a little over midway through and learning alot.

A question I have for you is about your frame in a set vs. frame in a relationship. How do you treat a girl during the initial meetup/after the opening? And when do you consider a "relationship" to start, for you to start going with that frame of mind? First date, or more once it becomes more official? I'm confused about "rude", cocky comments like letting the criticism bounce off and accepting compliments rudely. I'm afraid of being too push-offish on the first few dates when the relationship is still kinda insecure if you know what I mean. I don't want to push her away.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:03 am 
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Hey Gen, that's a fantastic question. So basically the video talks about things like accepting compliments rudely, being the prize etc.

I think i've moved on from the way I used to do things. I used to use "techniques" but now I think i'm following a broader approach. Luckily i've been able to teach this directly to guys so that they can skip the "techniquey" part.

We're talking about how to respond to women - whether to be nice or be cocky or tease her, be cold, be cool, not answer texts, vs be sweet, buy presents and all that. It also answers the question of when to "neg" or use cocky funny.

Here's how I do things and what I teach, and it doesn't matter if we are talking about a relationship or an initial interaction:

Reward and punish based on her behaviour. If you approach a 9 and she is lovely and sweet, and you neg her or use C&F, this makes no sense to her because she is being nice and sweet. If you are dating a girl who treats you like shit, telling her she's wonderful and you love her will be similarly wrong.

You are talking to the girl and she gives you some bitchyness, bust her hard with some C&F. She'll love it. You are talking to a girl, connecting on a deep level, and she is lovely and sweet, keep it like that, she'll love it. You text a girl a nice message and she responds with a short one that doesn't answer your question, don't reply for a week.

The way to act is very simple:

Her behaviour > Like it > Reward (be nice)
> Don't like it > Punish (C&F, withdraw attention, focus on other girls)

We know that most guys make the mistake of pushing harder when a girl starts to move away from them. This pushes them away even more. However this isn't solved with a constant frame of being a jerk. It also isn't solved with canned stuff. But the simple formula above will help you deal with any woman all through the relationship.

A guy asked me the other day:
"I went on a date with a girl, it was good, then we texted, then I sent a text and she didn't reply, so I called. No answer. left a message. No response. Called again the next day and left another message. Should I send flowers to her work?"

I said "why reward her shitty behaviour with flowers?" Be pissed off, ignore her for a week, go and meet some other girls. She knows she's doing something wrong, and she won't think much of you if you let her get away with it.

Just remembered i've written about this before, check out this:

http://www.puatraining.com/puablog/2008 ... unishment/


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Thanks alot. This has opened my eyes.
It's stuff like this I've realized I need to work on. I'm decently attractive, am extremely confident, have my style, but I'm pretty LJBF material right now with my game... pretty much your typical "nice guy". Explanations like this really help me get the full concept and understand the game. Thanks.


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Hi Gambler a few questions (I was on the Boot-camp 7th & 8th March).

I have real problems with sets i am OK in day game approaching one on one but approaching any kind of a set I have trouble. I start thinking of how the hell do I speak to multiple people at once. Any suggestions for getting over this fear? And also what is the best way to approach a mixed set?

Also when there is a silence during any interatcion i have i always seem to take that as a sign that I've blown it and I eject (And by eject i just leave without saying a thing) What's the best thing to do when the silence comes?


I had one approach the other day which went very badly was in a bookshop and just made an opinion opener about a book to recommend for a present and i was told to fuck off. What would be the best way to respond in this situation?

My night game is terrible for a few reasons, I have never been comfortable in clubs and the big problem is that I don't like the idea of shouting at people to have any kind of conversation is there a good way to get round this?

I am always reading in your posts about getting fashion advice but when i go hunting I get generic "look at GQ" type answers. And when i look at the magazines I just think now way i could wear that I'd look a right Dolt. Can you recommend a good cost effective way for a fashion blind like myself to start sorting his style out (by fashion blind i mean a guy who usually puts on the next clean set of clothes instead of planning).?

Excuse the length of the post, feedback will be appreciated.

Thanks


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