Hey guys

My approach is to find a free dating or social networking site and than message nearly everyone on there (all of the profiles with OK photos) with a generic message like “hey, cute profile, would you like to chat some time”. A lot of profiles I come across say “please guys, no copy and paste messages” but these are usually the first people to reply. I suppose they pay more attention to your pics and if they like those they will reply regardless of what you have sent.

I find that the rate of return is quite low as a percentage of output. Somewhere in the range 5-15%.

Replies will normally take the form of “sure” or “aww, thanks, you’re cute too, would like to chat”. They than get copy and paste message #2 which reads something like “sweet, do you use MSN, Yahoo, AOL messenger, SPAM” (whatever you use). As soon as they give this up add them. Chat on there for a while, the usual fluff… job, family, music, films et al. That at some point drop in the following:

You: Let me ask you something
Her: Sure
You: You’re single right?
Her: Erm…. Yeah, lol
You: How is that?
You: I mean you’re very cute, funny, intelligent and you seem like a really nice person
Her: Erm.. well…. Yada yada yada …(something about not meeting the right guy) yada yada et al
You: OK, I have an idea
Her: OK
You: I’m just gonna say what’s in my head, I don’t want you to feel awakward… just be honest
Her: OK
You: You should let me take you out sometime, I’m a really nice guy, I can make you smile, you’ve got nothing to lose
Her: OK
You: Really, wow… I can’t believe you said yes

Than just close it with number, casual discussion about when she’s likely to be free. This has been amazingly effective for me. Once I get them onto messenger and run this I think the success rate has to be somewhere in the region of 90 or 95%.

Reading that i would easily think that online dating is so easy its unreal.
However my expereince has told me that even if you have got a great sucess rate after the fact.
Your missing a base to build from. 3 hours into date... "So what you favorite coulor?"
You get the idea lol. No seroiusly it has no frame to approach future situations from. Are you coky are you intelligent?
What kind of women meets up that easy any how?? (No judgements,am asking?)

I fear the crop may be easy pickings, but the ground ain't so fertile!

Wow, idk about this... It SCREAMS afc

OK, here's the thing. Of all of the woman in the sample a certain percentage are comfortable enough to move quickly, a certain percentage aren't. The ones I get are the tiny minority who are comfortable moving quickly form "hi, wanna chat" to "you should let me take you out, you've got nothing to lose". That's how you're selling it. "Oh, come on! Say yes to life. I could be a really nice guy or an ass hole but there's onlt one way for you to find out . If this was a film what would you do" etc etc etc. The other 97-99% don't go out with me, it's about generating probability. Take a site with 1,000 girls. Message 800, 40 reply, 20 onto MSN, say 10 of them (at least) follow this, that's 10 dates for the time it's taken to send 1,000 copy and paste messages and spit come stuff on MSN.

As for the point of reference or base I think I know what you mean. But I don't see how it's any different to meeting a girl in a club in that sense, maybe I've misunderstood your point.

As for your other point you'll have to forgive me but I'm not as up on the terminology. I see myself as intelligent, but also very cocky.

Yo "Myth"

Clearly not. Like I said it works 90-95% of the time. Those figures speak for themselves and they don't say "AFC" unless you're talking about the football team

I have been online long enough to say that there are lots of methods that work. Direct and Indirect can both be effective online. You have to find one that is congruent to your personality. Some women will escalate at the drop of a desperate hat. I know because I've taken them from talking online that day to in their bedroom that night. There is a small percentage that will do it.

Diego I give you credit for trying something and testing it with measurable results to see if it works for you.

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I have no doubts that your number add up. Whats i meant by creating a base is too make her now your personlity.
Its like "oh there is that funny smily girl."
I mean am no expert but i like to make an impression. The man above and i don;t say this lightly is quite outragous so asking him if he would be kind enough to answer would improve you ten fold!

That approach seems really...desperate...I dunno if I'd even want to hang out with girls that that would work on

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im curious out of the girls that say yes, how many of them have you actually went on a date with, and of those how many a second date... then the question goes how many have you seduced completely.

being that getting a number, or a date is only half that process

are your numbers simply how many have agreed to a date?

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OK

Jsmooth – thanks. I’d be very interested to hear any suggestions on how I could adjust/potentially improve this technique. I have gone straight from online chatting, to her place and a full close, but this was after we’d spoken on there 2 or 3 times and she was a bit of a skank.

Reactionz – hmmmmmm. Creating a base eh? I hadn’t considered this. My aim when doing this is short and simple. Get a date and her number as quickly as possible. I than worry about going from there and perhaps building the base when we actually meet.

Top-ster – the glass is either half empty or half full. Girls are either “desperate” or “frigid/sexually repressed”. I prefer “desperate” or as I like to call them “woman who are comfortable enough with themselves to move quickly if they like a guy”. I like to think there is an added ingredient to this approach. It’s not just some random guy on the net:

Me: Hi
Her: Hi
Me: Wanna give me your number?
Her: Yes! Please take it!

I make them feel relaxed (paradoxically I do this very quickly), pre empt any concerns and sell them the idea that they should say yes to life, it’s just a date and they have nothing to lose.

DivineChaos – OK. The numbers I quote are the figures up to getting their number with a view to meeting with them. True, getting a number is not the end game, but there are lots of objectives within that. A) get a number B) kiss c) “the rest”… or something like that. I’m online, my objective is get the number and meet with them. I’m great face to face, all of my best qualities are displayed in face to face interaction so I’m looking to get them there asap. This is quite rough but let me attempt to break these figures down further:

* Of those who have agreed to meet I have had a date with all of them except 2 (including a girl who just didn’t show up)
* Several have gone bad, in the sense that when I met them they weren’t attractive. For example one looked like a 7 in her pics but turned out to be at 2 at best 
* I’ve fully closed but for some reason had “bad luck” with a few others.
* One I was about to get it with but didn’t have condoms. We than had a huge, blazing argument and I decided to forget it.
* One kept giving me hand jobs in clubs but ended up being a waste of time when it came to the rest (maybe a different case now I’ve done some reading )
* Currently seeing one that I’m confident of fully closing soon (although I know, almost there doesn’t mean shit does it?)

A lot of the others haven’t worked out in terms of a full close (ie. Target wanted marriage; target was a head case; target got deported). However most of this took place a while ago. My game has drastically improved in 2009 so things might be different now. Haven’t done the net thing in a while as I’ve been too busy.

This process is quite crude. The addition of some subtleties may well enhance it but I believe it’s an excellent starting point when it comes to the online stuff. Having said that I only started reading The Game last Sunday and prior to that had no knowledge of the community so I dare say there is an approach out there that might blow this one of the water. Or maybe not. I dunno.

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I agree with JSmooth and Top-ster

Total AFC... and desperate
I think you got lucky Diego

Guinness man – have you been drinking? I got lucky? Lol, is that what failures call it when other people succeed? Like John McCain saying “that Obamma was lucky”. OK than I’ll take that Looks like I got lucky on Saturday and last Tuesday aswell. Oooo…. And the Saturday and Thursday before that I got reeeeeeally lucky. If you lay off the Guinness you might start getting lucky too.

Guys – woman who move quickly aren’t necessarily desperate. You need to get this negative, self defeating attitude out of your heads. Guys with low self esteem have the following problem that they struggle to rationalize:

I want to have sex; I would prefer to find a girl that is not sexually repressed; I find one; she knows what she wants; she’s forward and moves fast; I get scared and need a get out clause; I use this one - “she’s moved quickly, meaning she’s desperate, I don’t want someone whose desperate”

Helps numb the pain doesn’t it? But it doesn’t solve your problem!

Someone is offered a Ferrari…. They quickly say “YES!” Does this make them desperate? Of course not. They just like what they see, know what they want and go for it.

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Great insights Diego and don´t mind the knocks from haters like Guiness

difinately came off as a chump...
if it really were that ez nearly every time then this site would'nt exist.
even though it worked for you, i doubt she thinks very highly of you
..i call this 1 luck, anyone who thinks otherwise is a chump

and fyi ive seen guiness man's work and my advice to you.. is to take his advice

To “AmerikazMostWanted”

You’re familiar with Guinesses work? You’re his boyfriend are you? Did he call you up and ask you to post something in support of him after I verbally annihilated him above? “Most wanted”? For what? Interfering with kids?

If you’ve got something constructive to say than I’m all ears. But if you’re just an inhibition ridden little hater who is intent on taking shots than please try to do better than “you got lucky”.

Hey, are you are a virgin? Lol, IS THAT WHAT IT IS?

People hate on Diego Maradonna
People hate on Floyd Mayweather
People hate on Christiano Ronaldo
People hate on Diego Armando

Behind every successful man is a line of haters… wow, I must be doing really well

Question to the haters: Why do you hate them?
Haters: Cos they’re too dam good, they do stuff I couldn’t possibly do and I’m jealous, it makes me feel like a failure, insignificant

It’s not really that “ez”… I just make it look that way. The reason forums like this exist is so that people can learn. Put your jealousy to one side and you might learn something.

You said she doesn’t think highly of me? Which one? Not the girl from the investment bank who paid for our hotel room at The Ritz on Monday night… the one I picked up the week before?

I can tell you think highly of me though don’t you? Otherwise you wouldn’t be getting so worked up, ha ha ha ha.

There is an interesting commonality. Every time I pick up a hot girl in a club… there are always a group of guys who notice it. The looks on their faces… they are furious! I’d imagine they’ll spend the next week, trying to make themselves feel better, talking about me… saying things like “ah, that girl wasn’t really that hot…. She probably doesn’t think highly of him…. She was desperate…. HE GOT LUCKY!” Ha ha ha ha.

…. You guys crack me up. But I’ve gotta say a big thank you…. For letting me know how well I’m doing… and how much it bugs you….. ha ha ha ha ha ha

…. Second round KO I think

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