Hey guys,

So I was attemtpting to game this hb8.5 for the past few months, asked her to hang out a few times, idk if I was blown off or logistics were in the way, but we never were able to get together. She was giving IOI's left and right, but I was being very beta intially. I recently started working on my inner game and have gotten much stronger self confidence. so i ended up asking her out yesterday, this is basically what happened:

So I was talking to her yesterday and the topic of junior prom came up and she told me that she's going with one of my really good friends(Who asked her the day before that "if ur not going with anyone else, and wanna go with me?"), i told her I wasn't planning on going, and that if I was too go the only girl I would want to go with would have been her. She told me she would have loved to go with me had I asked her earlier(cause she doesnt want to get into me and his friendship). We kept talking eventually I just put it out in the open that i liked her and wanted to go out with her. i did it in a c+f way however "you want me...badly" etc. and than she started tellling me she had commitment issues ,so my response to that was. "Arite listen hb8.5 , I know you have commitment issues, but we both know that I'm more than worth it for u to overcome yours fears. So you wanna give it a shot, if it doesn't work out, than it doesn't." She responded within 30 seconds saysing that, shell "....give it a try ". I told her that I was glad to here that. We continued texting until about 1am(we started intially at like 12pm). Mind you this entire time I had her cracking up, like 6 times she told me to stop making her luagh hysterically cause she has her period and it hurts to laugh. (my main method with her was role reversal and c+f). later on in the convo it was confirmed that were together. so its not a question of me misinterpriting what she said.

So today, I see her in school for the first time after in the library while she's on her way in,and I'm on my way out. All I got from her was a slightly affectionate "hiii". Than we had a brief conversation about some essay that's was due today that she didn't remember. Conversation took like 1minute in total, than we said bye. No hug, no kiss, nothing.

I see her after school in a bakesale for one of our clubs and we say like three things to each other(no hug or anytype of specific greeting this time either), laughing and what not, than I have to go somewhere else so I start to leave the area and say bye, I guess she didn't hear me, so I got no response. I come back to the club room later and we talk for a good 10/15 mins,I keep kino some small kino going the entire time. she laughing the whole conversation, but than there was no conversation cause she was doing an art project so I felt awkward and walked away to the other side of the room,started talking to 2 hb's, 8.5 and a 9.5 that are our friends.i Come back to her like 20 mins later and its me her, and two of our friends, and there's very little Direct conversation between us, comparitivly to the group although she's laughing and enjoying what I'm saying. Than I go to the other side of the room to get my books cause we all have to leave, and she just leaves without saying anything this time, let alone a hug or kiss, just leaves.



So my question is, what steps should I take to make her more affectionate in person(like should i intiate the greeting with a hug). Also, I've never been ina relationship before, so I honestly don't know what it entails(like are we supposed to talk everyday, she I walk her to her classes, hold her hand, etc), so what do I do regarding that. And lastly just to clarify, the best way to keep her interest is it to keep the current game plan, or should I do additional things now that were trying a relationship out, and if so what?



on a side note: thanks A LOT guys, your help has changed my life, 6 months ago I was basically shit my pants when talking to a girl, now I'm kinda (lol) going out with one of the hottest girls in my grade.

Hey man, let me start by saying congrats on the new relationship, and that it will be worth it just give it some time to grow.

So to get into business here, I'm a senior in high school so I'm not that far removed from you at all. So in that sense I know what you are going through completely. As far as the questions go, I'm just gonna try to answer them in the order they were given to make it easier on us both.

Don't expect affection from her just because you have this title of a "relationship". Affection needs to be earned on both parts. This means you need to earn it from her, and she should be trying to earn it from you. So as to the steps for making this happen. They are simple. Be yourself and give it time She'll eventually fall for your personality and act accordingly.

Question two. Are you supposed to talk everyday, should you walk her to her classes, hold her hand? Talking to her everyday is not a bad thing. You wanna talk to her so your relationship can grow, but you wanna do it in a way that doesnt seem like you need her attention all the time. Basically you can talk to her, text her whatever, but don't overdue it this early. Ex. Let her initiate converstations with you as far as texting goes. And with the walking her to class thing, I'd make her walk me to mine. Say something like "If you walk me to my class then you can show me off down the halls as your trophy boyfriend." Holding her hand? Just do it if you wanna. Theres no law saying that you have to cause you are a couple now, but highschool girls like that shit so I'd suggest it. They wanna show you off and make it clear that you are with them. Much like the statement I made before. If you have done your job right, they feel that they are raising their social value with everyone that sees you two just by the fact you are dating.

And for what I believe is the last question. What is the best way to keep her interest? Is it the current game plan? Run the current game on her to an extent. The key to a successful relationship is BALANCE treat her with that same cocky and funny tone, but due so mildly. Remember to treat her as your girlfriend. This means you dont need to do things like neg her anymore. You can every once and a while to keep things lively, but be careful not to come across like a prick. Now that you are dating its ok to be nice to her sometimes haha. Just keep confidence and continue to DHV. Make her remember why she said yes when you asked her out... Cause you are a cool guy with alot to offer her


Hope this helped, and keep me updated on the situation. I'd like to hear how it goes.
-Winter's Chill

yeah, it helped alottt. thanks.

however my main thing is, like what steps should i take to rasie the level of mutual physical affection?

another thing, im not sure if were officially a couple yet(cause this is her giving it a shot)so idk if i'm supposed to be telling ppl im going out with her or not. however we were talking about anal earlier and i said "uhm so my gf has an obsession with buttsex, cool?" she responded with "I DO NOT HAVE AN OBSESSION WITH BUTTSEX" so im assuming were official...

we were texting just now and something came up. i asked her what were doin on saturday and her response was "wellllll (her friend) may come over and if u want to you can toooo (another friend) will too prob and i may invite (my really good friend who shes going to junior prom with)? idk." than a second later " actually yeaaaa if you and (again, my friend whos gonna take her to junior prom(hopefully not))want to come over with (her friends) you can"

is it just me or does it sound like she was planning on inviting him before the thought of inviting me came to her mind...and if so isnt that messed up? what do u guys suggest i do to keep her interested solely in myself?

and also, ive NEVER even kissed a girl let alone made out/fucked one. and apparently to all the girls i talk to i come off as a guy who gets tons of pussy but i have NO idea how to even kiss/make out with a girl...

Yo, glad to hear I cleared some things up for ya. So I'm gonna continue to help here.

What steps should you take to raise the mutual physical affection? Kino Just like you would with any other chick. It so simple its almost funny. Just Kino escalate and you guys will start touching more and more frequently. So tomarrow when you are in the hall with her grab her hand, or put an arm around her. Do it very casually. When sitting next to her put a hand on her leg. You can also do things like giving her a playful nudge in the halls. The idea here is to get her comfortable to your touch, and to make it clear you are looking for a physical relationship.

As far as being official. It definately sounds like it to me.

With the plans on Saturday, I'd say fuck it. Find something else to do. Make her devout seperate time for you and her. Dont worry about the not initially being invited thing. She might be thinking the same thing I am, which is why the fuck should she be treating her boyfriend like he is just another friend in her circle? A.K.A. inviting you to hang out with her group of friends on Saturday. Don't get jealous about it. Because women find nothing attractive about jealousy. Tell her "I got plans too so we should do something on Sunday." This is better anyways cause it will give you a good time to kiss her when it just you two hanging out.

With your kissing situation. I dont know if you are fimiliar with Mystery's kissing technique, but I'd highly suggest it if this is you first real kiss. It allows you to play it safe and still get to kiss the girl. In case you are not sure of how it works I'll run through it quick with you. Basically after you've kino'd and are getting alot of IOI's from her you can straight up ask her to kiss.

You- "Do you wanna kiss me?"
Her- "Yes" you kiss her
"Maybe" you kiss her
"No" In the case of your relationship. You say " I didn't say I was ready for a kiss yet, you just really looked like you wanted to." Then you brush it off and start working for it again.

When the time comes let it happen naturally. Everyone is born a good kisser despite what people say. It is instinctive. So lean in kiss and enjoy. I like to put my pointer finger gently under my girlfriend's chin and kinda pull her in. You can also do something like gently tuck her hair back behind her ear with your hand, then rest the hand behind her neck and pull her the rest of the way in. Those two tricks are really simple things that will make her think you are a great kisser without even touching her lips yet. Again its making her feel comfortable. So just kiss her open lips, and be gentle and slow at first. If you are gonna try and slip her the tounge wait till you've been kissing her for 30 seconds or so then just do it.

So now that you're gonna get some action, the real Game has begun. Good luck man and enjoy.

-Winter's Chill

aright i read your advice during my off period and tried it out in school today, as far as the playful basic kino goes: today i was in the hallway walking with a mutual friend who is also coming on saturday, along with this gay sophmore who is there friend. were walking down the hallway and "my gf" is coming the other way to meet up with us to walk. as she meets up with us, she quickly splurts out a quick hi to each of us "hi (friends name), hi ("), Hi "me"" no extra time saying hi to me, nothing what so ever. than while we walk down the hallway shes walking on the other side of the little line weve formed so it goes, me-mutual friend-gay kid-her. For some reason i got the distinct feeling she was avoiding eye contact with me, because the two instances in which we made eye contact during this little hallway meet up she broke it very fast. so i was kind of distraught for the rest of the day. Until i saw her in the hallway, while i was walking with another mutual friend(super AFC mutual friend) and shes walking towards me as i turn the corner, we both say hi and since were walking towards each other by the time im about 2 feet away from her she waves+smiles at me!? i didnt stop until i was about 7 inches away from her at which point she still didnt even start to spread arms for a hug or anything of the sort, so i stuck my hands out and than she came in for the hug, it was a relativly short 2-3 second hug in which she placed her head sideways against my chest(mind you this all happened very quickly, im just giving the breakdown). and than she starts talkign to the AFC friend about a class and i just walk about 10 feet to my locker and in an effort to inject into the conversation, i ask "what class are you guys talking about" thye both simultansly respond and she only holds eye contact for about 3-4 seconds. the hug is a step up, and has intiated the kino, but i wasnt able to get anything in the brief hallway walk because she kept her distance. Its to the point where i feel like shes much more distant than she was before when we were just friends.

as far as saturday goes, im pretty sure ill go, because as of now it doesnt look to me like this relationship will last much longer so if i can get something out of it, whether it jsut be her being drunk and hooking up with me, or finally getting into that social circle it would be beneficial, and if all goes well saturday and she does warm up to me ill see if she wants to do anything on sunday and just hang out on a one on one basis to take it further

as far as jealousy goes, im intriniscly a jealous person, but i try to minimize it by logically realizing that it all comes down to MY attitude, so why care, and if i cant change it, why let is phase me. but beyond that there was recently a one week field trip that i wasnt able to go on, that she went on. there she met and became friendly with my two great friends one of which is taking her to junior prom+coming on saturday, apparenltly he likes her too. and the other one i saw on her phone was texting with her for the past two days and this kid has very very good natural game (very alpha male) and while i was talking to her he came up on two instances. one she brought him up when i called her a cute little nickname and she was like "omg aww can u call me that?, i feel so cute when i talk to (this guy) cause i call him (the nickname)". and another time when i said the nickname that a few friends made up for him "assholedouchebagface" and she started saying "WHY THE HARSH WORDS FOR (her nickname for him)". To me them two seems like the reason why shes keeping her distance and not telling a soul that were together. because she likes him/or the other guy/or wants to give either of them a chance. On top of that she told me before she accepted my offer to try out a relationship that she hates being in relationship because she likes to be free and she feels trapped in a relationship and her new found affection for both of them whether sexual or not seems to me like its the only logical reasoning behind her lack of affection, because she wants one of them? its a strong possibility because i did wait a few months of trying to hang out with her on fridays to finally just get fed up and ask her into a relationship.

as far as kissing goes, that method seems Perfect to initiate the kiss however my question is actually more about the actual details, are there any ebooks out there that you know of, or videos, or even methods of practicing just so i know what going on in "making out". basically as far as my knowledge goes after the 30 seconds i start to stick out/slip my tongue into her mouth and beyond that idk what to do, do i like lick her tongue or idk lol

beyond that, just as an idea, should i even bother texting her tonight, ive intitated conversations the past three nights, and the shortest of which was about 5 hours(of texting). And i want to see if she will text/call me, because in my mind right now it seems logical to assume that if she did than that means shes into the relationship and if not, that shes just faking the affection on the phone and cant hide it well in person.

Alrite there fellas.. Just saw your question and was a little bit curious..

Ok Winters Chill has come up with some interesting points and has advised you well you should take his advice.

Your both really well spoken for Highschool lads..

Ok yes you should hold her hand.. do it when YOU feel like it.. just take her hand.. and hold it so that your fingers are in the middle of her fingers.. you should know what I mean..

Next you need to get something else to focus your time on.. wether it be weights, football whatever.. aslong as its something that makes you busy and keeps your mind off her.

As for kissing her simple.. dont ask her whatever you do.. dont even say would you like to kiss me.. just build up kino (THIS IS VITAL) and then it should feel natural then lean over to her go about 90% of the way to her lips and let her come the last 10, if she pulls away just look confused and say "what you doing?" "I was just going to whisper in your ear" and laugh with it. That saves embarressment.. and as for the actual kiss, I only had my first kiss about a year ago in march and Im 17 for god sake haha it was easy just go with it.. dont go mad with your tongue just try and touch her tongue..

Next most important thing, you need to remember she WILL not cheat on you because your still in highschool it is highly unlikely and you need to stop being jealous of your friend because if she senses this she'll think hes got something you haven't. Invite him out with you both... show you approve of him.. make him seem like a tool.. by telling her what a NICE guy he is and its a shame he hasn't got a GF he deserves one.

Make it seem like your calling the shots.. this is your relationship and you own it.. and for the rest.. give it time.. also on the greeting give her a hug and hold her and just look in her eyes and peck her on the lips.

She'll get the idea.

Good luck mate.

Right I've actually just read through your last post.. and I see what your saying.. this boy thats alpha male in your opinion.. you need to play it KOOOL kool as they come.. really do NOT slag him off please for your sake.. he sounds quite threatening to you and thats why your doing it.. again deal with him by complimenting him on something in a sarcastic way.. like his hair walk up to him when she's there would be great "I love your hair mann it makes you look REAL kool" then turn to your GF and lean over and put your arm round her back and kiss her on the cheek with a real smooth "hey babe" that will shut that prick up.. and then turn to him and say "you should come hang out with us sometime" simple.. yeah tbh dont be surprised if this relationship doesnt work out.. it could definately work out but you need to turn it around fast and detach yourself from her.. follow my advice word for word and you'll definately be ok with her..

PS: for future reference.. never EVER tell her you like her before going out with her.. next time say "We've been seeing each other a while now, lets make it official"

Simples

ive pretty much detached my self from her. i text her once every two days now, and like when we see each other in the hall we just give each other some serious eye contact. mid conversation in texts i just stop responding and leave her hanging, etc etc.

i havnt gotten any one on one time with herin over a week now so i havnt been abel to do anything. Saturday when we were supposed to hang out, apparently she got grounded so that didnt work out. this is my plan for the kiss. i am going to build up alot of kino whenever i see her (the prob with that is the aforementioned not seeing each other except when we cross each otehr in the hallway once everyday, in my head right before hand ill say to myself, just stop her and than talk to her for a little bit, but i chicken out last minute) and than just pull the recommended "do you want to kiss me"

i didnt tell her i liked her, ever. i played it CF the entire time, when it came down to me telling her i liked her, i said something along the lines of "you want me, badly...and i know it, but i want a relationship, im tired of all these women using me as a sex object" thats when she said the stuff about being afraid of commitment, and the rest is posted above.

as far as getting my mind off her, i took the classic oneitis type advice and am gaming 7 other girls, all 9+ SPAM, two of which many consider to be 10's . i honestly dont care too much about this relationship anymore, im completely willing to let it go, im just in it to get soemthing out of it at this point to say that all the time ive invested amounted to something. and because theres a very high likelihood that if we get past these first few awkward stages, ill lose my Vcard within a month of our first kiss, which would be GREAT lol

By detattch her I dont mean ignore her.. god no.. just don't feel needy towards her.. you dont need her. By all means you could (if you felt like it) say I love you, but do it in a way YOU want to and dont be a little puppy dog jumping to her every request.. do you get where I'm coming from?

yeah i got what your saying, but i think you misunderstood me a little bit, i gave her some distance, but with the purpose of building up her anticipation to see me/talk to me. Today i saw her in the hall and walked her to her class. while doing so i had my arm around her the entire time. and than later on she texted me(frist time in the past two weeks that she intiated the text convo) and we were texting throughout the rest of the day until i called her in the middle. and now shes saying "loveeeeeeee you <3" and what not multiple times during the convo's. i pretty muched changed up my whole approach and went back to the basics of what i was doing before and turned up the heat a little bit, busting her balls left and right, and making her crack up. if all goes well hopefully ill get my first bj this weekend =]. ill keep you guys posted on how it works out this weekend. thanks for the help