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I'm going to speak in Mystery Method language here because a lot of dudes here seem to like to think in that language.

If a girl opens you, especially by telling you you're hot, the "attraction phase" is OVER. There is no need to be cocky with this girl. She is already attracted to you, and in all likelihood, she is trying to get LAID.

So make it easy for her.

I'd smile, motion for her to come closer, peck her on the lips, Claw, ask her name, and basically skip straight to S1. Heavy kino, token rapport with heavy flirting, and seed the extraction immediately.

If the girl doesn't think you like her, she's going to leave for greener pastures. And by "greener pastures," I mean "a guy with enough confidence to man up and pull when he's presented with vagina on a silver platter." No hard-to-get, no cockiness, no qualification. This girl wants sex, and that's what you should be giving her.
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First off you can look at this like a shit test. And also if anything you should be in A3 phase with male to female intrest.
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I'm going to speak in Mystery Method language here because a lot of dudes here seem to like to think in that language.

If a girl opens you, especially by telling you you're hot, the "attraction phase" is OVER. There is no need to be cocky with this girl. She is already attracted to you, and in all likelihood, she is trying to get LAID.

So make it easy for her.

I'd smile, motion for her to come closer, peck her on the lips, Claw, ask her name, and basically skip straight to S1. Heavy kino, token rapport with heavy flirting, and seed the extraction immediately.

If the girl doesn't think you like her, she's going to leave for greener pastures. And by "greener pastures," I mean "a guy with enough confidence to man up and pull when he's presented with vagina on a silver platter." No hard-to-get, no cockiness, no qualification. This girl wants sex, and that's what you should be giving her.
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First off you can look at this like a shit test. And also if anything you should be in A3 phase with male to female intrest.
This is dead fucking wrong.
hahaha....

Regarding Stormy's comment: I am not trying to prove you wrong, but either way if her intentions are just to go fuck, or its just how she does things. You should defiantly not pull a ONS on a HB like that... HB’s that are normal NEVER come up to a guy with the intention to fuck. HB’s that are DTF have some serious issues, it could be from a variety of things, child abuse, drug addictions, ect. For what ever the reason it is not something that you want to get into. Especially if she is a 10, the more attractive she is, the more likely she has fucked everyone in that club. Then again, I do not pull ONS… but I am as clean as a whistle.

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Regarding Stormy's comment: I am not trying to prove you wrong, but either way if her intentions are just to go fuck, or its just how she does things. You should defiantly not pull a ONS on a HB like that... HB’s that are normal NEVER come up to a guy with the intention to fuck.
Umm... no.
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HB’s that are DTF have some serious issues, it could be from a variety of things, child abuse, drug addictions, ect.


It's people believing this that causes girls to not want to have ONSs. They don't want to be thought of as sluts. But as a particularly hot and quite sane Coastie once told me, "sometimes girls just have needs."
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For what ever the reason it is not something that you want to get into. Especially if she is a 10, the more attractive she is, the more likely she has fucked everyone in that club. Then again, I do not pull ONS… but I am as clean as a whistle.
All I do are ONS's, and I'm cleaner than soap.

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Regarding Stormy's comment: I am not trying to prove you wrong, but either way if her intentions are just to go fuck, or its just how she does things. You should defiantly not pull a ONS on a HB like that... HB’s that are normal NEVER come up to a guy with the intention to fuck.
Umm... no.
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HB’s that are DTF have some serious issues, it could be from a variety of things, child abuse, drug addictions, ect.


It's people believing this that causes girls to not want to have ONSs. They don't want to be thought of as sluts. But as a particularly hot and quite sane Coastie once told me, "sometimes girls just have needs."
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For what ever the reason it is not something that you want to get into. Especially if she is a 10, the more attractive she is, the more likely she has fucked everyone in that club. Then again, I do not pull ONS… but I am as clean as a whistle.
All I do are ONS's, and I'm cleaner than soap.


Listen and listen very carefully,

"sometimes girls just have needs"

That’s just a HB with issues trying to make you think she is not dirty as fuck, it is the same as saying "I swear I never do this"

There is a reason why she is calling it a "need", she HAS a psychologically defect that was caused from one or more reasons stated above, which physically makes her have these urges.

Girls who are good looking do not have to go out of their way to get attention,

Women in general would rather wait it out instead of fucking a random guy

If you seriously just do ONS, something does not meet the eye, and I am not legally allowed to tell you to go to therapy… but you should get the hint,

The best example I could think of was
Barney Stinson

What you do not realize is this isn’t a discussion, and I am here to try and help out Newbies that don’t think about these kinds of things, because they are distracted with trying to memorize line, see if it actually works, get some self confidence, ect.

But hey if you don’t want to listen to some one who is a psychology major, be my guest

I hope it all works out for you


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Listen and listen very carefully,

"sometimes girls just have needs"

That’s just a HB with issues trying to make you think she is not dirty as fuck, it is the same as saying "I swear I never do this"

There is a reason why she is calling it a "need", she HAS a psychologically defect that was caused from one or more reasons stated above, which physically makes her have these urges.

Girls who are good looking do not have to go out of their way to get attention,

Women in general would rather wait it out instead of fucking a random guy

If you seriously just do ONS, something does not meet the eye, and I am not legally allowed to tell you to go to therapy… but you should get the hint,

The best example I could think of was
Barney Stinson

What you do not realize is this isn’t a discussion, and I am here to try and help out Newbies that don’t think about these kinds of things, because they are distracted with trying to memorize line, see if it actually works, get some self confidence, ect.

But hey if you don’t want to listen to some one who is a psychology major, be my guest

I hope it all works out for you


Best of luck


-Dre
Listen and listen very carefully,
Wanna play the "I'm a psych major" card?

I'm a psychology major and have been in the community for more than 5 years. Stormy and I teach PUA workshops here in New Orleans and in the last one all of the workshop students got AT LEAST make outs in field.

The only reason women would want to "wait it out" is because they think that's how they SHOULD behave in terms of how society judges them. If they faced no consequences after having sex like men do instead of being called "sluts" and other terrible names, they'd all be walking around with no pants.


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The only reason women would want to "wait it out" is because they think that's how they SHOULD behave in terms of how society judges them. If they faced no consequences after having sex like men do instead of being called "sluts" and other terrible names, they'd all be walking around with no pants.
Lets take a pledge to never call a woman a "slut", I wouldn't mind seeing them walking around w/ no pants. :)

I'll try going straight to the S1 phase this weekend. I have 1-2 women walking up to me with complements every night. Besides I trust Chief's advise. Also it doesn't hurt trying things infield.

But Chief in that case why does LMR happen. Besides w/o any comfort wouldn't there be any buyer's remorse? Also, guys like Tyler insist that if you kiss a girl in a club you would normally find her walk away after the kiss unless you are the one breaking the kiss. Why would she walk away when you have displayed that you have the balls to kiss her and take it to the next level with her... hhmmmm.......??


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Listen and listen very carefully,
Wanna play the "I'm a psych major" card?

I'm a psychology major and have been in the community for more than 5 years. Stormy and I teach PUA workshops here in New Orleans and in the last one all of the workshop students got AT LEAST make outs in field.

The only reason women would want to "wait it out" is because they think that's how they SHOULD behave in terms of how society judges them. If they faced no consequences after having sex like men do instead of being called "sluts" and other terrible names, they'd all be walking around with no pants.

I do not mean any disrespect to you chief, and it is reasonable for you to back up your friend/ workshop partner. However, when it comes to real life issues, it does not matter how long you have been in the community,

“The only reason women would want to "wait it out" is because they think that's how they SHOULD behave in terms of how society judges them.”

The reason why someone does not go out and murder whom ever they please, it is due to the fact that they have morals; statements from right and wrong. The interesting thing about morals is it varies from culture to culture, now the culture may have its advantages, and its setbacks, but that is not what we are talking about here.

I would like to remind you that Workshops are not created to coach you on how to morally behave. They are there to help you understand the mind of a female, and why she finds certain things attractive.

Ps. the reason why Males CANNOT be viewed as sluts, is because they are the ones doing all of the chasing, and have to work their charm to get a female. While females on the other hand are the ones CHOOSING the mate, so if a female CHOOSES to have sex with many males, it is frowned upon (going back to morals)

I hope that you can understand my point of view,

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The reason why someone does not go out and murder whom ever they please, it is due to the fact that they have morals; statements from right and wrong. The interesting thing about morals is it varies from culture to culture, now the culture may have its advantages, and its setbacks, but that is not what we are talking about here.

I would like to remind you that Workshops are not created to coach you on how to morally behave. They are there to help you understand the mind of a female, and why she finds certain things attractive.
Oh my GOD, man. Are you seriously suggesting that it is MORAL for a woman to hold out on sex?

It's that kind of misogynistic mentality that perpetuates the sexual oppression of women worldwide, thus making it harder for everyone to just enjoy fucking.
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But Chief in that case why does LMR happen. Besides w/o any comfort wouldn't there be any buyer's remorse? Also, guys like Tyler insist that if you kiss a girl in a club you would normally find her walk away after the kiss unless you are the one breaking the kiss. Why would she walk away when you have displayed that you have the balls to kiss her and take it to the next level with her... hhmmmm.......??
There's one line that I learned from Zan Perrion to control for that shit.

"I'm a very discreet guy."

Try it sometime. :wink:


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"I have 1-2 women walking up to me with complements every night. Besides I trust Chief's advise. Also it doesn't hurt trying things infield.

But Chief in that case why does LMR happen. Besides w/o any comfort wouldn't there be any buyer's remorse? Also, guys like Tyler insist that if you kiss a girl in a club you would normally find her walk away after the kiss unless you are the one breaking the kiss. Why would she walk away when you have displayed that you have the balls to kiss her and take it to the next level with her... hhmmmm.......??"

Well there is nothing wrong with someone complementing, girls come up to me and compliment all the time, lol that is why I love the concept of peacocking,

If a girl is coming up you with the intention that she is attracted to you, and you don’t want her to have buyers remorse then skip to A3 and move the target and get to know them (to find out if your interested), and then start C1 and so forth. If you just want a ONS go for it by all means, every one has their own reasons. If that is the case, the best way to do it is to listen to Stormy’s advice; he hit it right on the spot.

In regards to the break away kiss, bro it is the first night she has meet you, she is going to be testing you like a motherfucker. That is why you have to be on top of your game, aka show DHV by breaking away. This makes her think that you are the one she should be the one trying to kiss, lol it’s a simple concept once you get the hang of things,

PS. you should always take any advice to a grain of salt, take a moment to think about it yourself, and think what best applies to you, instead of blindingly listening to someone.

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bro we aren't meant to go around fucking random people... that’s what animals do... you know why? Because they don’t have a brain capable of forming what we call marriage… but what the point in arguing… lol im quite frankly over it, there’s no point in trying to prove who is right and wrong, from now on im just going to give my advice, and if they take it, good for them, if not? In my eyes, it is their loss

PS. I don't mean to come into your community and start trouble, after all I am always learning something new, who know's we might even become friends, the one thing that i do notice is patterns, and all the guys that are my good friends, started out with a long ass argument, and then we had a good haha about it.

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bro we aren't meant to go around fucking random people... that’s what animals do... you know why? Because they don’t have a brain capable of forming what we call marriage…
That shit's all wrong on so many levels, but I won't even get into it. Just know that this community is more about enlightened sexuality and understanding the male-female dynamic on a deeper level than the ignorant masses.

If you are religious or something I don't mean to step on your toes here, but know that our community follows different standards than that of the church.


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bro we aren't meant to go around fucking random people... that’s what animals do... you know why? Because they don’t have a brain capable of forming what we call marriage…
That shit's all wrong on so many levels, but I won't even get into it. Just know that this community is more about enlightened sexuality and understanding the male-female dynamic on a deeper level than the ignorant masses.

If you are religious or something I don't mean to step on your toes here, but know that our community follows different standards than that of the church.
Nah I am not religious, although I can see why you would think so, and I totally agree on the part about the ignorance...

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Someone's making a hell of a lot of value judgments for a psych major.

One of the most promiscuous girls I know (not the Coastie, although she's cool too) is also one of the most well-put-together people I know. Never been raped, no psychological problems, nothing.

And if she meets a guy she likes, she tries to sleep with him. And she succeeds, unless he's got a girlfriend and won't cheat, or if he has some kind of sexual hangup that gives him LMR.

Girls are NOT virginal little angels whose sexual experience consists entirely of lying back and thinking of England. They have sex drives. They do, in fact, want to get laid. The amount of "comfort" they need before they want to get down depends on a number of factors, including their upbringing, the guy's opinion of them (most LMR comes from the girl believing that the GUY is congruence-testing HER to see if she's a slut), and the social consequences of sleeping with the guy (ever met a girl who was on vacation? No social consequences = time to party).

And you know what? We like them that way. Finally, we can all be honest with each other and not judge one another for wanting sex. There are no sluts and there are no players.

I'm actually happy that Dre came and started this up. Sexual morality is something we don't normally like to discuss up in here because the consensus opinion is that you shouldn't be judgmental about sex, full stop. But this is an inner game issue that a lot of guys are trying to deal with (self included). They trip themselves up in plenty of ways because they're worried that what they're doing is immoral, and the reason they think that is because they've been told their whole lives that girls want marriage and wear chastity belts and any "seducer" who pulls them away from that is an evil, evil person.

While, in fact, guys have been causing girls misery for millennia by making them feel judged for following their own urges.

But come on, man....
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Are you actually drawing a parallel between a one-night-stand and killing someone?

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Okay obviously this is not done, and to be honest with you I love talking about this kind of stuff,
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“Someone's making a hell of a lot of value judgments for a psych major.'
I am in a double major of political science and psychology. Yes, im taking those courses, but it does not mean a thing when it comes to who I am.
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“One of the most promiscuous girls I know (not the Coastie, although she's cool too) is also one of the most well-put-together people I know. Never been raped, no psychological problems, nothing.

And if she meets a guy she likes, she tries to sleep with him. And she succeeds, unless he's got a girlfriend and won't cheat, or if he has some kind of sexual hangup that gives him LMR.”
That is the beauty about the human mind, it is always changing, and I guarantee you 10 years from now she is not going to be that girl. People grow out of certain phases in their life. In example: trying to best at everything, or tying to be the most popular kid in school. If they do not change, they will feel a weird feeling inside, as if their life is not complete. Why do you think most guys have a mid life crisis. Oh my wife is not hot enough, my car is not good enough oh my house is not big enough, im going to replace them all. When in reality all they had to do was hit the next phase of their life. None in this community is going to be a player forever, and that is why every straight guy in America looks up to Hue Hefner.
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“Girls are NOT virginal little angels whose sexual experience consists entirely of lying back and thinking of England. They have sex drives. They do, in fact, want to get laid. The amount of "comfort" they need before they want to get down depends on a number of factors, including their upbringing, the guy's opinion of them (most LMR comes from the girl believing that the GUY is congruence-testing HER to see if she's a slut), and the social consequences of sleeping with the guy (ever met a girl who was on vacation? No social consequences = time to party).”
What many guys do not realize is, if we don’t have a role of the one who chooses, and the one who is trying to convince, there would be no need for attraction, it would just be endless amounts of worthless sex. The only reason why the human race has evolved to the point it is right now is because it weeded out the “unsuitable” roaming around. Ever hear of a book called “The Brave New World”? If not you should take a glimpse at it. The only reason why a woman does not go around sleeping with countless amount of guys is due to the fact that if she does, the value of her will decrease. No one wants something that intimate to have been shared with the rest of the world, that’s why girls who have boyfriends and have that sort of history has to hide it from them, or else it will change everything.
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“And you know what? We like them that way. Finally, we can all be honest with each other and not judge one another for wanting sex. There are no sluts and there are no players.”
If this were to ever occur, you would loose the challenge that you go out every night and try to overcome. If this were to become a reality, anyone, and I mean anyone could get laid. Besides it would actually set the human kind backwards, were no different that animals when it comes to genetics, just a more advanced prototype.

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“I'm actually happy that Dre came and started this up. Sexual morality is something we don't normally like to discuss up in here because the consensus opinion is that you shouldn't be judgmental about sex, full stop. But this is an inner game issue that a lot of guys are trying to deal with (self included). They trip themselves up in plenty of ways because they're worried that what they're doing is immoral, and the reason they think that is because they've been told their whole lives that girls want marriage and wear chastity belts and any "seducer" who pulls them away from that is an evil, evil person.”

I love discussion, it stimulates the mind, and here is some research behind the purpose of marriage:
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Research findings linking family structure and parents’ marital status with children’s well-being are very consistent. The majority of children who are not raised by both biological parents manage to grow up without serious problems, especially after a period of adjustment for children whose parents divorce. Yet, on average, children in single-parent families are more likely to have problems than are children who live in intact families headed by two biological parents. Children born to unmarried mothers are more likely to be poor, to grow up in a single-parent family, and to experience multiple living arrangements during childhood. These factors, in turn, are associated with lower educational attainment and a higher risk of teen and non-marital childbearing. Divorce is linked to academic and behavior problems among children, including depression, antisocial behavior, impulsive/hyperactive behavior, and school behavior problems. Mental health problems linked to marital disruption have also been identified among young adults.
Children growing up with stepparents also have lower levels of well-being than children growing up with biological parents. Thus, it is not simply the presence of two parents, as some have assumed, but the presence of

Of course, the quality of a marriage also affects children. Specifically, children benefit from a low-conflict marriage. Children who grow up in an intact but high-conflict marriage have worse emotional well-being than children whose parents are in a low-conflict marriage. Indeed, domestic violence can be very destructive to children’s development. Although research is limited, when researchers have compared marriage to cohabitation, they have found that marriage is associated with better outcomes for children. One reason is that cohabiting unions are generally more fragile than marriage. This fragility means that children born to unmarried, cohabiting parents are likely to experience instability in their living arrangements, and research shows that multiple changes in family structure or living arrangements can undermine children’s development. Thus research clearly finds that different family structures can increase or decrease children’s risk of poor outcomes, for a variety of reasons. For example, families are more likely to be poor or low-income if they are headed by a single parent. Beyond this heightened risk of economic deprivation, the children in these families have poorer relationships with their parents, particularly with their biological father, and receive lower levels of parental supervision and monitoring. In addition, the conflict surrounding the demise and breakup of a marriage or relationship can be harmful to children.

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But come on, man....
The reason why someone does not go out and murder whom ever they please, it is due to the fact that they have morals; statements from right and wrong.
Are you actually drawing a parallel between a one-night-stand and killing someone?”
I was merely trying to prove a point, that every one knows what is right and what is wrong, you take it into your own hands to make the decision, and choose to either be right, or wrong. The way that you know what is right and wrong is chosen by your culture. Hence, if you do not like your culture, there are plenty of others around the world, shit; you might even be able to create one of your own.

Hope that you can see my case

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So, I give her a peck and skip a few phases right?


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