Here's the question and the conundrum. On one hand-we want these women. ON the other hand, we cant appear desperate. To add to the complexity, they want to kno that we want them but are not "playin them".

My question is theres one girl I met in a bar-how long should I wait after leavin a message before calling again?

Should my convo's over the phone be mostly geared towards setting up a date or, should I be trying to build attraction over the phone?

Well, first of all..

When you left this message, have you spoken on the phone with her before and how did it go?

I usually leave a message and don't call back, they will call back if your what they are looking for. Unless you've already talked to her on the phone a few times, then call back the next day or whatever. But if not, the message should be the last time you call her until she returns the calls.

Second of all...

Yes, build attraction on the phone. But don't be her late-night pillow buddy and spend hours at a time on the phone with her. The phone is a great place to be humorous and build comfort as well. Just don't spend too much time on it, after a few minutes of talking end the conversation saying that you have another call or have something else to do. Schedule a meet and hangup.

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If you left a message the first time calling her and she hasnt called back in a day or two, Call her again. DONT LEAVE ANOTHER MESSAGE. I wouldnt call more than one other time if you havent spoken to her before.

After calling twice and leaving a message once, You have pretty much exhausted what you can do without looking like a fool. A playful text maybe.

Phone calls between guys and girls who dont know each other, like my man above said, should be brief. Always ask if shes busy beforehand, dont be rude - you could be catching her at a bad time. If she says shes busy and will call you back in a little bit, tell her you are going to be busy doing (whatever) then but you will call her in a bit. Always keep the ball in your court cause even the nicest girls are prone to not calling back. Remember, she doesnt know you too well, and she most likely isnt trying to pull you, so you will be remembering to call her alot more than her remembering shit.


So again, dont be on the phone for more than a few minutes. If its going great, its an even greater time to end it. I only talk as much as I need till I know shes in a good mood and then ask for what I want. Dont ask her out on a specific date, just be like:

"well I have some stuff to take care of so im gonna let you go, but you and I should get together sometime"

This is truly a vague statement, but it works and it lets her know that you are the man. Dont ask her, tell her. no questions, be a man.

shes gonna say yes, because you havent given her something to say no to. If she says "what do you have in mind?" I just say something completely retarded like "I was thinking I would take you to the park and impress you with my hopscotch skills". I get a laugh, then I tell her "alright ill speak to you later." This gives you a day or so to set up whatever you think will work, and implies that you will call her again. She will be waiting. text in between days, something funny with a at the end, so she knows you are out there.

This all can be done in 5 minutes. Phone calls arent the place to woo a girl. You make it short, be nice, be funny if you can, and vaguely TELL HER(dont ask) that yall should do something sometime.

any constructive criticism is appreciated.

When you call a woman and she doesn't pick up for "X" reasons

Experience has taught me enough to say that women hate when guys don't leave messages the first time they call, not because they think it's cute or anything like that, but because it shows that they don't have enough confidence to do it

Your message in the voice mail should be clear, speak slow and loud just like you did in the interaction

I have learned that when a woman gives you her number you should do a thing that will force her to REMIND you, something unique, I will make this clearer in another post that I will call "The Right way to get a number" stay tuned,

and in that voice mail remind her of it, so she can call you back for sure

Example:

During the interaction say something like "You either answer or you're getting spanked"

If she doesn't anwer for x reason, say "Oh that's it youre sooo getting spanked"

Get it?

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I read it a post somewhere (and i cant remember where or else i would totally give props to the author) that as soon as you get a girls number, you should call her immediately. A) so she has yours and B) so you can say something like "you look like the kind of girl that gives a fake number" (neg)

Then text her when you leave the bar, something funny like "I can see you looking at my ass as Im walking away"

When you call the next day (and you should call the next day) if she answers dont ask her a damn thing about what she is doing later, or what she likes to do, only tell her funny stories about yourself, tease her, and end the convo with what you are doing later and dont invite her. she will invite herself or tell you what she is doing and that you should come (and you should come depending on how many times she has invited you somewhere and dont go).

If she doesn't answer say "Hey its me (insert name). I'm going to be in and out all day/night. Try and catch me. If not I'll talk to you later". Dont ask her to call you back and act like you can give a shit if she does.

Good luck!

guess what guys I have gotten like 7 ioi's from this girl at a party few weeks ago and have been doin the push pull shit for some time now using text messages... the only problem is that I havent conveyed any interest till now and she thinks am a dick matter of fact i told her i am an asshole... lolz... so she got the wrong vibes i guess... bec I kinda overnegged her... I guess I need to focus on calibration, anyway I texted her today and I said expect a call from me later tonight... and when u see my number dont be shocked... she answers back with a NO its Ok... I had get into my head for a min to see what a pua would do and I texted back saying so I will call u tommorow.... now this girl told my cousin that she's interested in me before the push pull shit before the attraction phase that I think I might of fcked up.... well anyway what do you guys think I should do? besides after my last text she never texted me back.... so I assumed she was just testing to see if am playing her or if I am serious....
you guys let me know please before 2moro lolz

I met someone saturday and n-closed..calling today (monday)..if she doesn't pick up I'm just going to leave a brief voicemail..I wouldn't call again though unless she calls or texts back.

I just left this girl a message saying hey I promised I would call and here I am doing it... well anyway if you'd like call me back at --- --- --- and Iknow u have the number but felt like saying it anyway....I will talk to u laters...

after I had left a message I realized my mistake.... I should not of said call me back if you woud like to..... oh well we will see what happens.... fcuk it.... one thing I can say is that the bitch hit the ignore button by the second ring lolz... so either hard to get or disinterested....

whatever happens happens.... and I aint calling her again for at least 3-4 days... maybe never again....

I'll keep u posted..

Hey not sure if she called you back or the status of that. But if you call a girl and you are certain she hit the ignore button there are reasons sometimes. You said you called this girl on a Monday? She could have been at work or something of the sort so don't let that get you down....it happens sometimes