Hey guys, last night at a party, I finally walked up to two random girls, HB4 and a HB7, ofcourse I was going for HB7

So I walked up with my wing, and I said "excuse me, I just want your oppinion on something, is it too gay to have glitter on your t-shirt?" while pointing at my wing's t-shirt obviously because it had glitter on it.

Now here's what happened: The HB7 TOTALLY fell for it. She smiled/giggled and said "hmm, yeah it is", but then the HB4 came into the picture and said "Isn't it pretty gay that YOU are asking us if your friends shirt is gay??", and oh well, that's the crappy start all AFC's get isnt it?

I tried to keep up my "alpha male pride" by saying "Just keep dancing sweety" to the HB4 in an as much degrading way as possible, and then I walked away, cause obviously the HB4's comment had ruined the approach.

The thing is, I actually asked this question with alot of confidence and a part of me felt like a PUA that moment cause I was totally nailing it, and then this HB4 starts to trash me... Is it normal to get trashed like that? Was it a bitch-shield cause she detected too much game? How can a HB4 even HAVE a bitch-shield?! Should I stay home and practise more routines for some time, or should I just get out there and keep on trying?


Thanks

What you encountered is sometimes referred to as a "mother hen"... A friend to the target who "screens" (or more bluntly put, scares away) possible suitors for her. The bitchiness is probably caused by them being sick and tired of their friends getting all of the male attention... the thing you should do is try to get on their friendly side. Just keep on joking in a light-hearted manner and don't get her insults get to you. Shooting her down like you did might give you some satisfaction and preserve your ego, but it won't get you the girl (the target). The thing to aim for in group situations is to make EVERYBODY like you, not just the target (and yes, two is a group )... and if you can make it happen, some friendly competition among the girls (for your attention) is always a good thing. This is actually pretty basic stuff... I suggest you read "the mystery method" and get practicing! Practice never hurts... you can learn a lot from crashing and burning in new horribly inventive ways all the time

dronten is right, you shuold befriend the obstacles/other members of the set. Girls occasionally have the mother hen around and its important to gain their approval to a satisfactory point so you can do what you want with the target.

Yeah last two people make good points. Only thing i would say is that your opener is kinda putting your wing down, you dont want to be negging him thats for the HB7 and even then as she is only a 7 not even too much is needed. your opener has got to be an opinion based on them not something that will hopefully make you look cool by making your wing look bad or "gay".
Try other openers in future, maybe a direct one like,
"Hey I saw you and thought you looked really cute, but I was wondering if you are cool"
OR if keeping the same style,
"My friends and I are thinking of starting up a club night in this area, what do you think is missing from the clubs round here?"

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first of all, you are on the way to success. before you can win a set, you have to first of all open one. Your ratio will of success will be lower when you start, but over time it will get better. Say you have a 10% turnover, you have to open 10 sets before you get a yet. These yes' could be in 1 night, 1 hour, or 1 month. That is up to you.

you dont want to get caught in a insult. just say something to the hb 4 like 'wheres her off button' or 'how can you roll with her' you want to throw the neg and then just keep talking to the hb7. like the other guys said, you need to befriend the obstacles, while negging the target.

I would recommend you spend a lot of time working on the attraction stage, because you cant get to comfort and seduction before you get past attraction.

Cheers.

I'm pretty new to the "game" as well, but what I do know is don't EVER dis your wing! You want everyone in the venue to know that you roll with awesome, cool, fun, interesting people. Other than that, keep it up man!

sounds like she broke ur frame. 'alpha males' or whatever dont get there frames broken like that. u gotta just find her little attempt to thwart u amusing - and ignore her

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Hehe thanks for the replies guys, I know pretty much know what to do in a situation like this.

I kinda liked that I failed miserably, 'cause that just goes to show that game takes time to learn, and you can't just count on your luck, and that really entrigues me.

I also like the psychological aspects in it (like with the hen mother and so forth)

This is really interesting

You opened your 1st set. Congratulations my man. It's good to analyse what happened. Just don't let it affect how you feel. You should be buzzing. Your journey's begun.

I think the guys saying your opener lowers your friend's value sounds a little homophobic.

To HB4's question I would have replied 'Well, I am gay. So...' In a way that was unclear if I was joking. Then kept her guessing.

Peace

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