right im having a moral question.

i find all this pua stuff awesome fun and interesting, im 23 and be4 i read this stuff i considered myself a natural, i only read about 1 year ago.

now because of my growing up and talking to girls without game i believe that it helps with a more healthy outlook on all this pua stuff and society in general.

anyways i was out the other night, met a first year uni student. he seemed pretty cool and he wanted to know all about picking up girls. he was impressed but seen as he was only 18ish i sorta just said i think u need to do shit on ur own first then ill tell u when ur older. but i said it in alot more words just keeping it short for the post.

does anybody else ever feel like they shouldnt tell some kids this cuz they r too young, and ultimately they will be better puas in the long run if they learn how society functions first.

i dont know, i guess seen as i am a teacher (thast my career) i want every1 to reach their max potential and not miss out on the benifits that combine game with previous social knowledge. wont they become better "naturals" this way

ps. i still think that as a teacher i have the worst spelling in the world and never fix my mistakes

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Nah, I disagree entirely.

Before I got into pick up, I used to just take anyone that was attractive, and just want them for sex, I'd overlook any flaws they had, personality did not matter to me, at all.

But now, looks attract me initially, but I want more than that, I like intellegent girls, who're funny, fun people, like food, etc, basically, it's helped me see women as more than objects for sex. And I'm looking for serious relationships, I'm looking for marriagable girls, I'm not expecting to find one soon, but that's what I want eventually.

And I'm 18. It's not too young. Although a lot of people comment that I seem older than this.

I know what your saying but if your a socially adjusted person you'll work stuff out for your self and learning a few more tricks while your young isnt gonna hold any one back, I wish'd i known about this when i started uni but i still had a lot of fucking fun working it out for myself.

With hindsight, given the choice now, whether i would have wanted to know about the game when i was 18 or not , I'd say fucking defiantly would have wanted to know!

thats my 2 cents worth!

are you sayin you wouldnt prefer to know what you know now, back when you were 18? (hope that makes sense)

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I got into PU around the end of '08. I feel that it could have helped me out a lot even in high school. I'm 19 right now and in college so I'm trying all kindsa stuff, but I know that I wouldn't have minded being sexually successful in high school (where I didn't know what I was doing and felt a bit lonely at times). I'm saying that 18 probably isn't that young of an age to learn PU stuff, (might just be me though, I knew guys who were doing sex as early as the last year of middle school, so I might have a weird sense or sex as it's related to age).

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If i could go back and give my freshman highschool self all the knowlege i have now.... i would do it in an instant. This stuff could have helped me even earlier i'm sure, because my parents and friends were certainly no help lol. /story.

i personally believe if you can practice both inner and outer game equally you will be fine.

two things that has benefits me the most. one is the idea of experimenting technique and skill, while coping with failure/feedback. and the other is the confidence. the two are both inner thing

I think I am the only person who agrees with you. I'm 26 years old. I know a lot of younger PUAs, and they often have these weird idiosyncrasies, such as an inability to rapport with girls they aren't sexually interested in, or not being able to comfortably chill and hang with guys outside of the community. I think they just got introduced to pickup too soon. In some ways there can be very good with girls, but when it comes to basic social skills and just being a normal, socially-adjusted person, some things can get left out. I think that long term growth has been traded for short term success.

Style actually talks about this in "The Game". He describes how a lot of Planet Hollywood's younger students would end up becoming these weird social robots, or would cling on to really weird belief systems. He theorizes that its just a matter of life experience and being able to look at things objectively, as opposed to simply just taking in information at face value.

Anyways, I am totally generalizing about young people. Some people can handle it, but I feel that most aren't truly ready. People are truly ready once they've been around enough that they can make direct connections between the new learning and their previous social experiences. Modern educational research calls this "constructivism", and they have basically proven that people learn best when taught with this philosophy in mind. That's how it was for me; I was able to take things in like a sponge, because it was nothing more than a series of mental upgrades; really no new software. As a result I was immediately able to execute these concepts in a manner that was totally congruent to my personality.

to start, im a little over 21 and a half. Ive been seriously injured. I've been on house arrest for 8 months, and I've also spent nearly 4 years in the military travelling the world.

I get confused as to what a PUA really is sometimes. To be a pua do i have to use pua material? cause honestly the only books I've read that helped me with the opposite sex were one book on body language and one book on eating pussy. everything i know about getting girls, i learned on my own the hard way. through trial and error. i still have lots of problems. like phone game. but i find it exciting because with all of the failure i've had i still have so much success that it doesnt matter. and when i have mastered everything i need to master i feel like it will lose the fun.

my transformation happened over the last year. i dont believe age matters really. to me its just about how comfortable a guy is with himself and how comfortable he is with women. the problem is that most younger people still dont know who they are or what they want in life. so to master something like that when u havent even mastered urself is a recipe for destruction. thats why i made sure to give a lil info about my life experiences. i've been through plenty and i just realized a year ago that though i dont know shit about the world and how i affect it or where im headed in life, i do know my values and morals and i have a ground to stand on. its was only after that when i could really start being a PUA. when i figured out me i could figure out what i wanted in her.

so its not necessarily age but to know urself you have to go through all the highs and the lows of life. and usually that only happens with age or great misfortune. i mean really... how can u project complete confidence when u dont even know who the hell you are?

i agree with colloso, pua is confusing, and i myself will use it for tips or to get my thinking in the right direction. learning urself is still fun. i think for younger people they should do it on their own for now, if you older tho like 30 and arent having any luck, then year by all means study ths shit out of this.

to me i still can learn a lot on my own, if i was to just study pua id feel like a cop out because im only 20 and to study it hardcore would only make me feel like i cheated, and it took me a while to realize but ive alwasy liked to learn things the hard way, just never with women, but i just had to man up and do it, i like my own style. if some 16 year old kid wants to study pua, and tell him no, ur young, you can make tons of mistakes and still have shit work out for you ... but you just need to TRY. if your not gunna try, then no matter how much you study pua its not gunna work because u need to be confident with urself first then u begin, and ur not gunna build up confidence any better or faster than trying it your way first and seeing how it works out. one the other hand if a 16 yr old studied pua and it worked for him, he might just look at it as like a tool, like "i can say this, and it will work" instead of appreciating the true value of having the ability to drive women crazy

I'm 19, and I learned about the community couple months before and have been slacking A LOT and nowhere near how good I should be mostly because there was WAY too much info to digest and got lazy. BUT thanks to what I did learn (mostly from unnatural natural friends) it made solving problems soo much easier... O and he also gave me moral lessons here and there, maybe you could do the same by teaching him while giving him inputs on your view, lesson, principles, etc. He also leaves out details... so that I could "figure out myself from experience".

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