What have you read so far? sounds like you're missing a few things.

The whole point of PUA is that you don't HAVE to be 'good looking' to pick up girls. There is a major difference between good looking and attractive.

Yes, confidence is a major issue, but this comes with time. the better you become at PUA, the better your confidence becomes.

The whole community is not about teaching dirty tricks or any "secret lines" that destroy a woman's defenses. There are none. There is no way to con your way into a woman's pants. At least none that we teach.

If you're coming in here from a revenge standpoint, and if your friends aren't willing to improve themselves, you're really not going to be doing yourself, or your friends, any favours.

If all you're interested in is teaching women a lesson, you might as well just go buy some rohypnol (or date rape drug of your choice) and distribute it amongst you and your friends. Is that what you really want?

- Dex

no, date rape drugs are wrong... how could you even joke about that?! I'm not here for revenge per say. You might be missinterpreting me. In order to teach someone I will have to be better than an average PUA. My plan isn't to become good enough to get a number at the club, I can already do that. I need to learn this as a science, every aspect of it, even if that means things that are wrong. I don't want to use it and hurt women right and left. All I'm saying is I need to be good enough to be able to teach my friends something...

I have to agree with Dex on this one.

PUA isn't about manipulating women. It is about knowing how they work and using that to our advantage.
*I know I am gonna get yelled at here but..*

Look at it as if a woman was a car. Teaching someone to be a PUA is telling them things that they normally don't look for and getting him to believe them such as the following facts.

1. The HBCar is already full of gas and ready to go.
2. Her parking breaks are on so you KNOW what gear she is in. You might have to go to a new gear once your inside.
3. Their engines MAY be different but they all of them are still driven with a form of heat.

He sees the HBcar and evaluates her. He knows that she is ready to go and how she works. Now what he needs to know is which key gets her started. There are thousands of possibilities and he only gets one chance. His game is his key. We tell him what ridges are generally required in a key and he can file those in. But it takes practice and hard work to refine his key (game) to be just right for the specific car and the specific time.

Manipulation is Changing the makeup of the engine or the lock. That isn't what we do here. What we try to do is Realization. Learning what is built in and using that knowledge to our advantage.

We tell guys not to lie not JUST because a woman can smell it (or will eventually find out) but because it is wrong. If all you care about is making sure "they" get what is coming to them. Lie all you want and then laugh at them when they find out.

This isn't a place where good guys come to find out how to be the "bad guy". This is where they come to find out "Why what the bad guys do works and how to do it without being a dick".

Anyway, that is enough of a rant and I think I put across my point.

EvoJ

That is a good point IMO. The old saying about women always fall for Billy Bad Ass is based on some truth - you can be that guy without ruining someones life or holding up a liquor store.

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I got to get into this dude's pelt and crawl around for a few days. Who's the gopher's ally? His friends. The harmless squirrel and the friendly rabbit.

I understand, but I don't have a goal of hurting women... be open-minded to what I say, it may be weird but listen to me... if you won't do it someone else will! not only that, they will do much much worse... You as a PUA have the power to either be a good or a bad guy. What I am advocating here is having the "bad" knowledge to be able to deal with dicks who are dicks 24/7... how do you deal with an AMOG if you can't be one yourself? Some owmen are just attracted to dicks, it's not good for them... but in order to help them and show them that it's not the best way, you have to be a dick yourself at first. To get in, then tell her, it's not the way to go being with a dick all your life... I'm not advocating hard revenge, I'm advocating knowledge, even if it's "bad"...

How is using a date rape drug different to using a "dirty trick"? Basically what you're saying is that you are looking for the quick and easy ways to get a girl into bed without actually having them attracted to you in a normal social sense.
No? Let's look at some other things you've said:
Look, I can see you're obviously a very intelligent person and in your other posts you've expressed some very good ideas, but your posts are highlighting some serious inner game issues.
I think my signature says quite clearly that I believe "All Knowledge is Worth Having" - it would be hypocritical of me to suggest otherwise. However it is the motivation behind learning this knowledge that is the key. Is it to truly to become more rounded or because you want to teach and use these techniques? For some, it is safer to avoid knowledge that they believe they may be tempted into using.

Look, I think you're starting to get the idea, or at least you are expressing yourself a little better. It is quite admirable that you want to be able to help your AFC friends develop into PUA's, but I think you need to look at your motivation behind it.

- Dex

Modern theory suggests you ignore them. Alphas don't get bothered by people of "lesser social status". All trying to better them demonstrates is that you think you're beneath them socially.
Because only dicks can fuck assholes, right? (God Bless Team America)

Honestly.. let's read into what you're saying..

What you're telling me is one of two things

1) You've got an ex-girlfriend who is now dating a guy that you consider a dick. Maybe she left you for him

2) You recently tried to make a move on a girl, only to get put in the friend zone while she went off and fucked some guy you consider a 'dick'.

If I'm not right on either of these two, you're still demonstrating frustration at the fact that girls go for assholes while nice guys miss out.

We know why this is the case. We know why "nice guys" don't pick up. It's introductory AFC literature as to "why dicks get chicks".

To rephrase what EvoJ said, and it's something I've probably even said to you before - You can be a nice guy and still pick up chicks. Just don't be a chump. I will stress again and again that this is the most valuable lesson that you can teach "your friends".

- Dex

*Off topic! Be Aware*

Actually Dex, I think the most valuable lesson you can teach your friends is how to use a fire exstinguisher or maybe how to apply a turniquet. I can't count the times one of my friends has caught something on fire and/or cut something important.

Oh or maybe dont jerk it with icy hot...

...Or toothpaste...

...It burns cause of the floride...


EvoJ

It's the thing, I believe that out of the people, I will be able to handle the knowledge resposibly... I'm not a bad guy, I'm just sort of fed up with things that women do. Think about it this way. To learn physics you need to learn calculus first. I don't wanna learn how to put women into a mental state of rest in order to sleep with them. However that one piece of little knowledge may be the difference between a close or failure. I don't see anything bad about using a "nudge" knowing how the brain works. Not built the entire technique on controlling women, but rather adding small details to help your success. I believe in changing and adapting. To be able to pick up any girl you need to have a variety of tools. You can build a persona and attract a large amount of women. However, why stop there? Why be good enough? Why not be the best and have the knowledge to drive ANY girl crazy? That's where tricks come in. Please don't think I want to con women into sex. I want to have a pleathera of tools at my disposal for myself and so I can pass it on to others...

This is still inner game.

Why let what women do affect you?

That's not alpha.

- Dex

no dex, none of those 2 things... yes I am frustrated at it, but really for my friends... I don't feel good knowing people around me are feeling bad. I'm frustrated at the end of the night after making out with 5 girls and getting 3 numbers when all the guys that I went with are just destroyed cause women wouldn't even dance with them...

for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, it's not revenge, it's adaptation and marketing, I don't believe in runing the same set on every girl you meet... everyone is different and things you do and say have to be changed depending on the girl... meaning what she does affects what I do for my next step...