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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:34 am 
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hey guys im having a problem with my belief.

so i have started PU for quite a while now, and i just moved to australia from Hong Kong few days ago. and i found out i am having serious problem with white girls. her is what's happening.

as im new to the Uni world, so im trying my best to set up my social circle as quick as possible. so i have been approaching lots of different woman... Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Singaporean, Indian.. im having no problem at all speaking to them with english and i got my chinese styled C&F tuning into the english version. BUT when i talk with white chick, i freezed, i feel so nervous all in a sudden. even if its a 5 or a 6.. here are a few thing i know that is pulling me back..

1) i have had bad experience in a england summer camp 2 years ago where im socially casted out. and at that time i was one of those "mainstream" people if im back in Hong Kong so i felt shocked.. caz i suck at english at that time and im afraid to talk to anyone.

2) i assume they will discriminate me as chinese

3) i assume they are the cooler people

4) i felt short in front of western guy (im 5'4 btw), even if i had AMOGed many asian tall guy back in Hong Kong.

5) i thought my english wasn't good enough to communicate with them with C&F.. and i have my speaking tone quite mono..

i would really appreciate any advice on this... thanks guys


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hey guys im having a problem with my belief.

so i have started PU for quite a while now, and i just moved to australia from Hong Kong few days ago. and i found out i am having serious problem with white girls. her is what's happening.

as im new to the Uni world, so im trying my best to set up my social circle as quick as possible. so i have been approaching lots of different woman... Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Singaporean, Indian.. im having no problem at all speaking to them with english and i got my chinese styled C&F tuning into the english version. BUT when i talk with white chick, i freezed, i feel so nervous all in a sudden. even if its a 5 or a 6.. here are a few thing i know that is pulling me back..

1) i have had bad experience in a england summer camp 2 years ago where im socially casted out. and at that time i was one of those "mainstream" people if im back in Hong Kong so i felt shocked.. caz i suck at english at that time and im afraid to talk to anyone.

2) i assume they will discriminate me as chinese

3) i assume they are the cooler people

4) i felt short in front of western guy (im 5'4 btw), even if i had AMOGed many asian tall guy back in Hong Kong.

5) i thought my english wasn't good enough to communicate with them with C&F.. and i have my speaking tone quite mono..

i would really appreciate any advice on this... thanks guys
Your English has gotten better.. yes?

If they discriminate against you because you are Chinese, just tell them
that you normally don't talk to foreigners yourself but you thought she
was unique and would be different from all the others you have met.

How are they the "cooler" people? You're Chinese, you know all that Kung Fu
shit... You might not, but everyone thinks that all Chinese know this shit.
Just act like you are the baddest motherfucker on the planet and you will
radiate confidence to all the girls.

AMOGing works everywhere bro. Just try it and refine your skills.

Using C&F is all about how you "deliver" the lines, it's not if you can say
them with proper English or whatever... if you can talk as good as you can
type, then you should have no problem being C&F...

Just try out your skills on girls that are not your usual targets so you can
know if you are speaking good enough for them to understand you or not.

Also, don't you just love the way that those Australian girls talk with that
accent.. man oh man, I love those girls..

I once had a girl from Australia start talking to me ONLINE and it became
a REAL WORLD lay for me as she was coming to Texas for family that was
already here, and we met up and sealed the deal later that night. It was a
nice 2 months of online talk and letters in the mail and then it only took
one night to sleep with her... I am thinking that is the whole, stranger that
you might not ever see again...

Oh yeah, play the mystery card... you are someone they have never seen
before, so be a little mysterious so that they want to get to know you.

I am tired, I have to go to Oklahoma tomorrow... and there are more threads
that I need to read and post on... Good luck.

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Oh yeah, play the mystery card... you are someone they have never seen
before, so be a little mysterious so that they want to get to know you.
thanks man, thats a great advice.. so i can put my mindset on selling "yellow fever" and that makes me unique... cool.. gotta learn some palm read later =P


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okay,,,here's the new situation... ive tried to speak white girls on my resident hall and i realize my english sucks..lol

.. i was flooded by australian accent, so far that i cant even hear a word without my 100% mind trying to concentrate, so i spend half my brain power thinking what they are saying but not generating actual word to say.

but my belief went better, specially when i see them start bitching about stuffs, i realize all girls are the same.. so im gonna sharpen up my english a bit and see how it goes from there.

(p.s. btw i tried the mystery card here, i joke about me using kung fu to kill people and it works well...lol..thanks again)


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Tell them, "Can you please speak a little slower? My English isn't very good."

Hopefully it'll give your brain a chance to think about what you're going to say next.

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English is not my first language and when I've started to talk with other people in English the problem was self confidence. I'm not saying that that is definitely your problem, however, you should think about it...

I can see that you have some false believes that make you LV in your mind and that can be a very fucked up thing...


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1) i have had bad experience in a england summer camp 2 years ago where im socially casted out. and at that time i was one of those "mainstream" people if im back in Hong Kong so i felt shocked.. caz i suck at english at that time and im afraid to talk to anyone.

2) i assume they will discriminate me as chinese

3) i assume they are the cooler people

4) i felt short in front of western guy (im 5'4 btw), even if i had AMOGed many asian tall guy back in Hong Kong.

5) i thought my english wasn't good enough to communicate with them with C&F.. and i have my speaking tone quite mono..
Let's give some other suggestions to these beliefs:

1)This may have more to do with the people at the summer camp, than you seem to realize. I'm guessing the age would have to be around 16, or something like it. (please correct me here, and give me the right age, if I'm off) Which makes this people with lower education, and more rigid Pack-rules.
Which means; anyone who stands out, is a freak. (this changes at Uni and higher education, as well as in most educated grown people. The roles are reversed.)

At that age, people adhere much more to social boundaries, as set by the Alpha male and Females of the school they come from, which mean; most likely, people will be wearing the same kind of clothes as the "coolest" kid, doing the same lingo.. Going with the flow, to not draw unwanted attention to themselves.

You standing out as Chinese, with different english than them, perhaps not even aware of their "inside" slang, etc. You will stand out, both through language, behavior and clothing.

At this level, one can go two ways, either, one proves to be a far better Alpha, and people start taking after your style, or you try to fit in and get pecked into the lowest value in that particular pecking-order.
(meaning anyone, but the absolute losers, will have a "right" to disapprove of you, because the "Alpha" disapprove of you.)

Now, at Uni, this is not so prominent, and if you don't show signs of submission due to your, currently, poorer skills in English, and instead show that you are confident, (you may still be humble if this is you, but please separate Humility and Insecurity., one can be good, the other is bad.) you'll soon find that people much more readily accept who you are, and may even be willing to follow your lead, providing you lead with a strong enough Frame. ;)

I think I end question 1 there

now:

2) If you assume they will discriminate you, they will, most likely, pick up on these vibes.
Besides, if you continue with this idea;
Remember the story about the Farmer (an old Chinese tale)
Who one day discovered his money purse to be stolen, and he thought about who might have taken it, and deduced it must have been the neighbor boy, who visited earlier.
So every time the Farmer sees the boy, he sees more and more sketchy behavior from the boy. The boy doesn't look him in the eyes, and clearly feels uncomfortable under the Farmer's steady gaze.
Eventually the Farmer considers that, because of how the boy acts when he's around, he has proof the boy must be the thief.
And just as he is on his way to leave the house and confront the boy's Father to make an official accusation, his wife comes out from the bedroom saying "Look what I found behind the bed" and showed him the purse that had been "stolen".

Believing people discriminate you, you will find the signals to back up your theory.
And, most likely, the harder you look, the more "evidence" you will find.
Even if there is no truth to the matter, you will be able to convince yourself.
(in Psychology terms "what the Thinker thinks, the Prover proves")

I hope that gives you new perspective on 2.


3) again, this goes back to no.2.
If you believe them to be cooler, you'll find evidence to back up your belief.

However, this works both ways.
If you chose to believe that you are cool, you'll find the evidence to back it up.
I'm seriously impressed with Chinese people, and I mean that.
Chinese in itself has a lot of cool concepts, think about it; You know stuff most of the people there won't. Like the Chinese language, which is seriously complicated to those of us who haven't learned it through years of practice, like you have.

You practically come from a different reality, and you should be able to allow that to be a DHV,
People will be interested in you on the basis alone that you're "foreign".
Seriously; use this to your advantage.
This is one of those things that can be used to your advantage, or disadvantage, and it's all decided within you.

It's you who have to make the choice whether this is something that you'll allow to help you, or if you would rather want it to be an obstacle. ;)
It's all inside your head, and people will be picking up the signals you send out.

So making sure you send out the signals that "being Chinese is the Best" (and if you want something to back this up, Taoism has some sexual techniques that doesn't exist in the "Western" world, which Australia is a part of. Learn this stuff, and use that to your advantage, you know.)



4)
Being short makes for better hugs, ask the other guys.
Again, this is only a problem if you make it one.
Al Pacino is only about one finger-length taller than you.

There's no sign saying "You have to be this tall to get laid".
It's all imagination,
Height has nothing to do with how much attraction you can build.

Inner Game, man,
Find the advantages you have over other guys on all your differences.
Do this in a positive mind-frame


5) you can take courses, probably over net, that teach you to work with tonality and voice projection.
So this is something you can work out, as quickly as you want.

The only real disadvantage is voice.
But this stuff you get better with through practice, and even quicker if you have some guidance.

Your English shouldn't be a problem, most people will understand this, and you'll get tons better quickly since you are now surrounded by english-speaking people.
Just socialize at the level you are at right now, and you'll quickly improve.

Trust me ;)




Ok, this was long, but I think we may have cleared out some of the beliefs you used to have.

Practice reframing things, though.
If something seems negative, you haven't found the positive in it yet.
Regardless of how bad it may seem, there's always some positive effect from it.

You'll find, probably, lots of stuff on here that teaches about Reframing beliefs.



Cheers ;)


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man all these are solid responses but as a Korean-Canadian, ill say sumthin here

I used to be the same ways as you man, when I first moved to Canada from South Korea 8 years ago. I used to get picked on a lot by white kids and it was seriously fucking with my self-esteem, confidence etc. I'd be lying to you if i said it wasnt difficult. back then i didnt even dream of a white girl being interested in me. but its all in your beliefs man, embrace the fact that you are different from the rest and how cool you look among all those white people and how you stand out. trust me girls are very interested in sumthin dats different from what they see everyday. it took me maybe 5 years to realize this but once you do the world is your to conquer lol.
Major thing i did was building a social life. i'd go to all the parties in highschool n juss hav fun n let loose. believe me, people find that very attractive not just females. n now im goin out to clubs every weekend and not to brag but success ratio has been ridiculous lol. juss think about it in the club scenario man, theres this asian guy who is having more fun than the rest of the people combined in there who doesnt give a fuck about himself being different.
ok dat dragged on for a bit but dats all the advice i can give u man
1. fuck what other people think about u, if they dont like u becuz of whatever reason, its their loss
2. accept & embrace the fact that you are different

ps. oh and i'd start working on your drinking skills if i was you becuz its a big thing in the western culture dude. i couldnt hold my alcohol for the life of me when i came here but im gettin better now lol


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thanks wolf, the advice you gave me rocks! i starting to change my perception on stuff now, instead of seeing everyone white as superior, i started to realize they are no difference from chinese girl.

but still suck with my speaking english, haha trying my best to speak as much as possible.. but things are looking great. pushes my inner to another stage =]


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If your speaking English sucks... talk slower... if you talk slower then people
will stop to listen to you.

The most successful business men speak slow and soft and people stop and
listen to them because they are the BIG KAHUNA...

You need to take on the role of being the ALPHA MALE... Be this BIG KAHUNA...

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