I'm a student at a uni in the states.

About a year and a half ago, a friend of mine introduced me to one of his friends, HB7(.5) i'd say. I didn't see much of her until this semester, where she's in one of my classes. I've been gaming her before and after every class (mainly kino escalation, number closing, etc.)

this past week, she invited me to go study with her for the class. i said yes, but she didn't give me the specifics until she was at the library, and since i was out on errands, I got there an hour after she did. when i arrived, she was like "i was wondering where you were..."

we studied a little bit, but somehow managed to get sidetracked about valentines day. she asked me what i was doing for valentines day night and invited me over to her place where she's having a few of her female friends over. since i remembered her saying something about a boyfriend in passing, i asked her why she wasn't with him on valentines day and she seemed shocked that i asked that. turns out that they're still 'together' but she knows he's sleeping around, but is 'too dumb' (her words) to break up with him.

long story short, i managed to escalate some more and kissed her on her cheek (i was too afraid to go for the mouth ) after studying, i walked her back to her place & she gave me a really close hug and i kissed her on your cheek again (mainly because i didn't expect her to lock me in a bear hug and my head was turned just enough that my mouth touched her cheek.)

my question is, are these IOIs? the "i was wondering where you were," invitation to hang out at her place, only mentioning her boyfriend once in passing and avoiding it the rest of the time, the "too dumb" DLV, super-tight grip hug she gave me, or am I misreading? do you think i'm at the right spot for a (real) k close?

Furthermore, what do I do about the boyfriend? They're "dating" but she says they don't even see each other often...not to mention the cheating part.

also, what about her friends tonight? should i game them too or since i'd like to go out with her, not game her friends?

well she's smart enough to realize she doesnt have a lick of common sense. I guess if yall ever start dating, your in the clear for cheating lol. A little late for V-Day, which is good since you dont have to buy her flowers and chocolate or whatever, but try and get back on the topic of the boyfriend with her and in a playful tone, try to get across something like "Im sorry, but thats just crazy. You'd let your bf cheat on you and you not do anything? What do your girlfriends think of that?" if she says you dont need to question what she does mention "i probably crossed the line there" but dont apologize again. if she asks you to, say you already did... if she says "they dont know" then first thing she's going to do is ask them. they will tell her to dump him and then she's back on the market. girls listen to their friends a lot more often than a random guy. in an indirect way, your getting her friends involved and i doubt they would say the approve of cheating, so you should be good to go for escalation.

OR, you could always say "Well he cheats on you, so what's so bad if you cheat on him?"

oh yeah, kiss her on the mouth. if she isnt saying "NO" when you kiss her cheek, its dubious she gives a rats ass if you kiss her 2 inches to the right or left. if she says "NO" then, just say "it felt right" or "i couldnt stop myself"

sorry but dont listen to anything quoted above...

UR TRYIN TO FUCK RIGHT... OR GO OUT WITH THE CHICK??? so why get her focused on her past (her man) instead of her future (you)? you lead the tone for your engagements. You move in for the real kiss asap and dont give 2 flying fucks about her man!! in your mind she's already obsessed with you, and cant live without you. if she brings up her man while ur fingering her or whatever simply be like "yeah i dont really care... leave him and get with me. i'll treat u better. i dont know why he doesnt want you... i obviously do etc."

you wanna have girl talk with her about her boyfriend then by all means go ahead... but when someone tells you you sound like a pussy cause ur in a rooms full of chicks and the only thing ur talking bout is some other guy just remember i told you so...

oh yeah if she doesnt say "NO" when you kiss her on the cheek. it might just mean she's from another country. hispanic and european people MEET by kisses on the cheek. to alot of people i.e. MOST OF THE GOD DAMN WORLD!! its not anything sexual. get out of ur bubble and realize there is a whole world out there full of pussy not just where u are from... im assuming cause of ur name that ur from Texas... am i right? ...so yeah she might flip out if you move 2 inches...
but in ur case ebox she wont

eh, i doubt she'd give a shit if he kissed her on the lips. it may have been AFC of me, but i stole a girl from her boyfriend by taking the indirect way through her friends, basically talking me up while talking the bf down. maybe i got lucky and was results oriented? must be being in college that makes lip kissing more and more accepted randomly.
+1 on not going to the all girl shit.

and for those of those with no humor, the "OR he cheats on you, you cheat on him" was a joke. i wouldnt say that shit.. thats stupid

yeah, i ended up going to it, but she ended up throwing a party & not some girls thing. i didn't really game her that night...i more or less just hung out with the group.

I'm thinking of pulling a boyfriend destroyer routine on her...should I?

why didnt you put any moves on her?
well i already said not to bring up her man. u seem to have him on your mind more than she is. but ur making so many chump moves i dont really care anymore

hahaha. my group game isn't all that great, so i prefer 1 on 1 interactions. especially for college girls, if they're in a group, you need to win them all over or otherwise bitch shields start propping up & they drag her away.

what if she brought up her man? change topic or bury him?

She already did the boyfriend destroyer for you. She wanted you to fuck her brains out. She gave clear IOIs/windows of opportunity for you to do so.

I don't really know what you can do NOW, though. When you MISS windows of opportunity to escalate like you did there, it's a DLV and she sees you as less attractive. Oh well. Try anyways. You just need more confidence in your own attractiveness. You should think "that's an IOI" by default for like everything. Stop asking yourself (and others) if something is an IOI and just believe that it is. That way you won't miss windows of opportunity and end up DLVing yourself again.

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hahaha. my group game isn't all that great, so i prefer 1 on 1 interactions. especially for college girls, if they're in a group, you need to win them all over or otherwise bitch shields start propping up & they drag her away.[quote]

nah man... if you got the right game females will completely ignore anything their friends say and will focus on you. even if the bitch shields pop up on the friends she'll just think their jealous. i once banged a girl and her friends hated me being there the whole time. they had to sleep in the car while we were fuckin in the hotel room. they were pissed!

dude why you messing with some whore? Check my list

1. she has a BF
2. she said hes sleeping around.
3. Whats your affiliation/status with her then?

Obviously shes looking for someone to fool around with knowing her BF is doing the same shit. FWB or friends with benefits.

You missed it, get back in for round 2 and go for the KO. Only route, skip the BS...

She was practically inviting you to fuck her.
The IOIs, the DLVing her boyfriend, and practically saying he isn't worth anything. (The stuff about how she was "too dumb" to dump him etc, is pretty much a signal she wanted you to prove you were much better for her than him, e.g. by fucking her from here to heaven.)

You should have escalated, and I bet you could've gotten her by the weekend if you played it right.

Now, as chief said, you've missed a big window of opportunity, so I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't give you one of those again.
But be watchful for it.

Like mystery said "If you think you could have, you could."
This is a classic example.

All the right signals from her, but you didn't follow them up
You'll get better at it


Forget about the Boyfriend, he's got no value in her book, no boyfriend destroyers needed.
The invitation to hang at her place was a real come-on from her side,
Regarding her friends, it can't hurt to game them a little as well, make sure they like you (social proof) at least.
If you get good with her friends, she'll be even more lusting for you, especially if they start considering you sexually attractive, Women talk.


Hey, man.
Next opportunity; you grab it.

here's a little Could Have list:

You could've turned the hug into a kiss,
you could've started physically escalating in the library; e.g. stroking her back, probably even playing with her hair, or even escalate all the way to the Kiss by running the conversation from Valentines day to how you should treat women, by running a little story perhaps, "This is how to celebrate Valentines Day, (Describe romantic things as you do them, like "you look her in the eyes, and notice how nothing else matters in the whole world, etc." lean in for Kiss if she doesn't resist, then go for the Kiss)" then you should consider a change of location, after building up some tension again (the kiss can be a real release in tension if nothing follows it)


You shouldn't have mentioned her Boyfriend, since she didn't seem to care about him at all.