arite, well ive been gaming this girl for a while, shes been giving me SO many IOI's, but its been a while and shes been consistently displaying them and i havnt been able to make a move so im wondering how can i tell when ive been friend zoned


this is what happend: after noticing the IOI's i asked attempted to tell her to hang out, 1st time-i called her, she doesnt pick up, but immediatly texts me saying she cant talk than but will call me in 5 mins. doesnt call me back. and than last friday- i asked her what she was doing that night- ididnt get any response to the text. this past saturday- i texted her to say hey and she didnt respond. mind you she Always responds to my text messages, and even on thursday-the most recent one before this past saturday-i called her to ask a question and we ended up on the phoen together for 2 hours. the past couple days or so when i see her in the halls she gives me a little smile(with no teeth or anything though) and breaks eye contact after like a second

This is going to hurt...

Since you didn't make a move after she was giving all of the IOI's, she is
thinking to herself, well, I tried, guess he's not interested in me...

(she might just be a tease also, they do all IOI shit too)

You have been placed into the dreaded "friend zone" but it's more than likely
not too late to get out of it. You should just go up to this girl... no texts, no
phone calls... approach her in real life, and kiss her... see where that goes.

You might just be surprised at what happens...

Do It... Do It NOW... Don't think about it, just go do it. The more you think
about doing it... the more your damn mind is going to talk you out of doing
it...

What's the worst that can happen? I'll tell you...

She will slap you... Oh my gosh... a slap in the face... that shit don't hurt...
that much... XD It's no fucking big deal!!! Go kiss this bitch already and you
might be surprised how open she is to it...

Then again, if she is a tease, she will just do nothing and tell you that she
don't see you as more than a friend... and you can say, that's cool, I just
wanted to see if sparks flew when I kissed you... but they didn't...

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Man how many times have you done that bro ^^^ and had it work, whats the percentage?

Give me a number and maybe ill consider.

This has happened to me a maximum of 8 times. And everytime I just went
up to her, and kissed this type of girl, I had positive results with 5 of them.

There was 2 that just said they didn't see me as more than friend, oh well,
no big deal to me.

And there was 1 that did in fact slap me. Oh well, failure breeds success.

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Find out yourself man, like he said the worst that will happen is she'll slap you and that's no big deal. Right now your frame of mind is "but what will she do, will she like it?" you're being outcome dependant, do you or do you not find this woman attractive? If yes then have you seen multiple IOIs to suggest she is interested? You've already told us that. Finally would you or would you not like to kiss this girl? Forget about whether it will "work" or not for a minute, would you like your lips to meet? If yes then go and DO IT. You could try a K-close method, like for instance when you are face to face and she starts talking about something put your finger to her lips say "you talk too much" and lean in. You literally have nothing to lose and everything to gain here!

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I'm new to this forum and wasn't sure if I should post a seperate topic for this or put it here since its related. Please feel free to let me know.

I'm in a similar situation with a girl who gives me multiple IOI's everytime we talk/see each other. We went to get coffee a few days ago during a break we had at school and I didn't escalate kino at all. We are suppose to study in a few days and we will probably do something after..is it too late to escalate since I failed to do so over coffee? Also what would be a good way to escalate in that situation (at starbucks)?

no.

play a game with her. 5 lies game possibly.

kino:
http://www.directnaturalgame.com/Techni ... adder.html

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Most guys have problems calibrating what really is bothering her. You could be thinking its one thing, when really its something completely differnt.
For this reason, dont focus on whats HAPPENED, but whats happening. Phsical compliancy tests.
You say you get IOIs, but heres the deal: Friends give each other IOIs all the time. You need to establish friendly IOIs from more than friendly IOIs. Look for physical IOIs. YOU kino escalate.
Sexually frame her.
Reverse the roles and values, maintain your frames dominance.

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Welcome to the slaughter house... not really. XD... Welcome bro.
A few examples would help to determine if these IOI's are in fact "friendly"
or more than friendly. Details.
It's not too late to escalate kino after the first meeting. The next time you
two have coffee at starbucks, when you two are in line just put your hand
on her lowerback (bermudia-triangle-of-lust) and move her closer to you
and say, "you were about to knock that over" or "that guy was getting a
little toooo close to you."

That is sexual kino.

A few more would be:
- you two are talking, her hand is on the table, put your hand on the table
in a nonchalant way, and barely make it so that your finger is barely touching
one of her fingers. It's best if you are barely touching her PINKY FINGER.

- you get up to get some more cream, napkins, or whatever, just touch
her lightly on the shoulder and ask her, "you need anything since I'm up?"

- tell her that you need to tell her a secret... go over behind her, lean down
close to her ear, (tell her to move her hair if she don't do it anyways) lean
in real close to her ear and whisper, "that girl gave me regular when I wanted
decaf." (If she moves her hair without you saying anything, this is a trust
thing, she trusts you enough so she is comfortable around you.) Comfort
has been built up. The hard part is done. It's gets easier after this.

She should smile or laugh at this. This is all sexual (in a way) and chicks
eat this shit up because they are getting chill-bumps when you do most of
this stuff.

Be sure that you are able to whisper in her ear anytime that you want to...
by whispering in chicks ears, it turns on all the pleasure nerves that are
in her ears... yes, there are a lot of pleasure nerves in the ears of women
and men for that matter.

Ever have a girl turn you on when she whispers in your ear and blows on
your ear or hell, lick your ear???

I thought so. It works for both genders.

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Thanks for the detailed response Leprechaun, I appreciate it.

As far as some of the IOIs I'm getting: Laughing at everything I say, a lot of hair touching, good eye contact, starts conversation if I stop talking.

I'm definetly going to up the kino with your examples and I'll let you know how it goes this week.

She told me a story about how some guy asked her to hang out and watch a movie; when she got there he tried to make out with her and she told him no and left right away.
What does that mean (the fact she told me that story)? It sounds like she's trying to DHV to me hah, or is that a hint that she wont make out with me?

Thanks a lot.

It's her way of telling you that she is an EASY girl. It was her little way of
DHV to you.

In order for you to test this out, invite her over to watch a movie, and during
the movie escalate kino (sexually and playfully).. if she responds to it in a
positive (good) way, try kissing her on the cheek. If she turns her head and
faces you with (oh yeah I want more look in her eyes) before you have a
chance to move all the way back from her face, then she is open for you
to kiss her on the lips... lay it on her..

Don't forget about the one step forward two steps back thing... this is pretty
much where you just stop kissing her and say, "whoa.. I'm not that easy."

Or here are a few more lines you can use:

- That's all you get for now.
- Whoa. If we keep going I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight.
- OMG. That was fucking awesome. You're fucking awesome.

I'm sure you get the drift of how to tease her at this point...

Girls will want to keep on feeling good once you have the sexual tension
thick and in the room. She will not be able to just turn away and forget like
nothing happened.

But, if she does, reach around with your hand behind her neck and pull her
closer towards your face for some more kissing, once she is coming in for
the kiss, place your other hand behind her neck so both hands are behind
her neck kind of like you are pulling her into you and she cannot get away. This kind of dominance is a major turn on for women, they want to
be dominated, controlled. Women want sex as much, if not more than men do.

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The last time I asked her to hang out was 4 days ago and she said she had plans already. Should I call her tomorrow and ask to hang out or should I ask in a text? Or should I not ask her to at all yet?

So you haven't talked or texted to her in FOUR DAYS... right...

If this is the case, then you might want to send her a text saying,
"We haven't hung out for a while, what can we do to change this?"

This was taken from another poster here on these forums, I really like this
line. I tested it out on a girl I haven't spoken to in 3 months and it got a
good result.

HER: "I don't know. Wanna have lunch tomorrow?"

BOOM! Instant meet up with just one little text. I didn't meet up with her,
as I said, I just wanted to test out the line. XD

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no kino+no flirting = friends zone
also trying to set something up between you guys too many times is a DLV, once is enough. if she doesnt reply or says no, move on and let her know you're ok with just being friends not by actually saying it but by demonstrating it with talking about other girls you have an interest in with her or any other indirect way you can think of. and when she gives you another one of those smiles when you see her walking by dont smile back and just respond with a simple "wuts up".. she will see that you're not trying to get with her anymore therefore desire you for a reason she cant figure out.. as we all know, we want what we cant have

hah ^^^ dont lead this guy astray, look for some IOI's as chicks often know how to be sweet/flirty to get their way. Some girl was conning this kid at my work into rides on the golf cart because she was too lazy to walk across campus..then he says "oh she vibes me" . More like your a taxi cab bro...

surrrrreeeee