Okay, so while checking out another personal development forum, one not specifically aimed at Pickup up, but rather life and self-improvement, I checked out the Relationships section and came across a post on being within the Seduction Community.
As I read down the posts, I came across a site with a rather interesting article on the "Detrimental Attitudes You Can Pick Up Through The Seduction Community".
Now, I apologise if this post is in the wrong place (in which case you can move it to elsewhere) or if the article itself is insulting. God knows that there are parts that I felt a little ticked off by.
But over all I recommend that EVERYBODY gives this a read, either for clarification of your goals or a solid slap to the face to wake yourself up.
One of the personal issues I've had with the community, which is reflected in some of my posts, is that the more you mindlessly learn or excessively over-use methodology, the more you lose of yourself and the positive qualities you naturally possess.
Though I am not in FULL agreement to some of the statements in the article, a lot of that I feel, is something that everyone who's serious about embracing the Community should take on board.
Please, don't shun what has been written, don't flame or bombard the author with hatemail. As far as I can tell (from my exposure to the one article I admit) is that they have a reasonable knowledge of the Community and are themselves trying to reach out to us to ensure we do not become something other than what the core values of the Community are trying to endow us with.

Take a read

http://www.datinggroundwork.com/communitybeliefs

Adster that links was dope. I think that guy who wrote that needs his balls reattached. I can kind of see a bit of how we lose ourselves a little bit with th PU community but isn't that the point? I mean if everyone AFC just was himself, he probably wouldn't get the HBs that we do. Its more of losing your old AFC self than anything but thanks for this post.

I really liked this post. The article has a lot of accurate arguments, but the author is missing out on one big fact.

The seduction community is not exactly what is used to be. Today, we have products like the blueprint, attraction code, 10 sec attraction etc, and these products suggest that you shouldn´t see every interaction as the same.

Other than that, really good article. I hope a few people will actually read it before deciding what they will think of it.

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Even if the article doesn't describe the contemporary community with 100% accuracy, it was certainly "truthy." Some of his points may have catered to stereotypes, but recall that most stereotypes are founded with a grain of truth. A lot of what he described sounded like behaviours that could legitimately crop up within the community and it probably can't hurt to be reminded of that.

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People build their own belief about stuff in life. Not everybody has the same tastes in life. What the fuck good would it be if everyone around you was in unison with everything and anything? Life would suck, things got to be different.

Everybody has their methods. With each method(pua or not) there can be a list of grey area blunder that can be assigned to you because "your following a guideline of your own" that other people dont deem as accurate. Where one says its wrong, another says its right etc. Vicious cycle of nonsense.

This article seems to miss one important point; yes, all women don't think this way, but women as a group do. If they didn't, this community would be based around how they do think. We do what we do because it works.

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I think the Community does have MANY MANY things that are very misleading.
Like some of the points it says the PUA community brings, such as points like:
-Women can be manipulated by magic
-Women are emotional and illogical
-Women are dumb
-Women are blablabla

Many rAFCs read these stuff and think "Wow.. what idiots women are." and they just don't respect women as HUMAN BEINGS anymore.
And some of them will get so caught up their dumb ego and be an asshole to the rest of the community because they think they're the shit.

I used to think like this too when I recovered. And then I realized that I was an asshole. I took a big look at myself. I lost all my best friends, I lost all my 'lady friends', and I was living a life of one-night stands.

I was miserable and confused. The community was supposed to HELP my social life, not destroy it.

And then I learned that the community has all these flaws and holes that mislead AFCs to thinking in a completely egotistical mindset that makes them ignorant, immature, and selfish.

I started to learn to respect people, I learned that only unattractive bitches have bitch shields against me (because I was above the point where I was approached constantly by these), and that people really just want to have fun.

So.. the PU community shouldn't be teaching stuff like "Women are nothing, they are sex toys, they can be manipulated like a baby, blablabla."
Those are things that make someone an asshole.

The community should be teaching how to HAVE fun and BE fun because FUN is the ultimate attraction switch and it's a NATURAL attraction switch.

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I could see why one would fall into that fold as they indulged in PUA. However, I think the end all point is to move past that belief system. I think you could say I suffered from a few of those categories the first three or four months of pick up but now I'm past it.

At the same time, I study the ego and post-deconstructionism so I have other, very powerful, forces at work which have helped relinquish me of much of what is in the article.

I guess the problem is the Mystery "clones" and such. Those who take the afc and other stuff literally and then pass judgment. I must admit, most guys I've seen game are in fact chodes. Their game is lame and they do not learn from their mistakes. However, I do not judgment in the sense that I think that makes them a better or worse person. Nor do I look at the PUA/Natural stud and think "wow he's an amazing guy!" I merely observe that someone is or is not good with women and end the though process there. Hopefully, that is the healthy thing to do.

A minor point

Where in the community is babel like this found? In the last 7 months I haven't read anything that suggests women are dumb or illogical.

Seriously? It was one of the first things I 'learned' when I joined.
The gurus were like "Women are naturally emotional and don't tend to think logically."
etc.

well, look at this from an rAFC point of view. You're currently in an insecure state of being a successful womanizer so you're going to say "Women are stupid. They are too emotional."

either way, it's not right.

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I can't say I came across stuff like that myself, though I agree its not right.

i bet if you ask the truly great pick up artists they would agree that at first these stereotypes of pua's are very true for the people who are beginning slash becoming mediocre at pick up, but as you grow you realize that these ways of thinking about woman and pick up are wrong... for the most part haha. pretty cool read tho, if nothing else it makes us aware of what could happen if we aren't careful. thanks for the link man!!

Glad you all gave the article a good read, it has some valid points for the community in there, even if some of the points are perhaps a little biased or unrealistic.
I got into this community for the purpose of improving myself within my own moral code. I haven't strayed from that, but on many occasions when this all first started out I came very close to making my life Hell. I felt my own personality warp into something that was completely alien, and for a good long while I DID feel as if my friends who I'd known for years, was holding my game back, theat they somehow "didn't get it".
As for my SPAM of women, I was being ugly to them, and it left a foul taste.
Thankfully I got out before it got bad, stepped back for a while and it did me good to take a look at myself, where I came from and where I was at that point. I've cleared a lot of stuff up now, worked on my best qualities and got rid of all that garbage that was found in a lot of the methodology I was using.
Now, thanks to that decision, I'm purely natural. Just me working to make my life better in any way that I feel is right.
With the article that I posted, maybe newer folks to the community can start in the right way with as little regret as possible.