"Wing woman" is an actual term. Unlike pivots, they are women who actually know about pickup and seduction, and can help you in the field.

See: http://www.pualingo.com/2008/12/wingwoman

Also, what is "gay" about having a woman help you with pickup? Is it gay to have female friends now? Is it a lot less "gay" to go out with a bunch of dudes, and give each other relationship advice? Seriously.

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No man should be leaning on anyone, man or woman, to open sets.

I really don't see your point. Using a female wing is just like using a male wing, except their are other bonuses like that of a pivot on top of typical wing bonuses.

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Hey, thanks for the educational link.

Also, if you like a girl to walk around with you and open sets for you, that's up to you. . . and I guess if you like to walk around with guys and have them open sets for you, that's up to you too. Whatever works for you man . . .

Since when have we said anything about having the wing open sets?

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You haven't.

you seem to be against the wingwoman idea because people would need them to open sets which doesn't make any sense at all.

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to kasabe: i agree with you completely!!! it is fuckin stupid to go out and pull chicks with a female tryin to help you. they get jealous or too drunk and wont leave you alone or they start having girl talk with the chick ur tryin to smash... its not always bad but its not worth it.

to kristall: kill

....um...what?

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This is actually a good technique..

Seems like you are only playing half the game here, Kasabi. (And I know you will probably assume it, so I will just say it, NO I am not talking about picking up men.) You've got a lot to learn, but it won't happen with that instant negative attitude. You need to pay a lot more attention to women, and realize that they are your most powerful allies in the game to get more women. Nothing gay or wrong or weak about that. In fact, your game is a LOT weaker by not accepting that fact.

Yo lone silver,

You got your game . . . and I guess I have mine. Maybe where you're from, a girl opening up a set for you and giving you an intro is cool.

Where I've been . . . probably over 10 major cities in the World, only AA stricken chumps do this and it's a major bore for girls. . . . "WTF? Doesn't your BOYFRIEND have any balls to talk to me on his own? . . . .

As for "using" girls to help my game. Ha ha ha. . . Well, it can be fun. But I've stopped telling them anything about my game after the last one cried "wah, wah . . . " - I didn't tell her to do anything. I just told her what a "pivot" was . .. and she was a good girl too . . . very pretty.

i have plenty of lady friends who love to go out with me. They label me all sorts of shit. That's cool. They still have a great time with me but I'm not going to stick a pair of wings on their lapel and call them my wingMAN or wingWOMAN or ChickenWING or any other sort of wing. And yeah, maybe it works out well for you but there is really nothing you can't do on your own with a pair of girls around your shoulders who know NOTHING about this game than you could with a pair of girls around your shoulders who walk around opening sets for you.

Sorry . . .but every time I think of this, I have the urge to puke. You're taking the FUN out of our game and shifting responsibility of success/failure on your FEMALE friends. YAAAAAAAWWWWWNNNNMN. . .

okay... you are not a marine! i dunno maybe u got a boy or girlfriend or some family member in the marines but you are definitely not one..


only 10 major cities kasabi??? ur game is WEAK SON!!!! hehe

I have a female friend who is looking to meet a wider variety of new male companions. I am also looking to meet new females.

We theorise that we can wing for each other. The benefits of me having a pivot have been discussed in this thread. In return, I can help her approach groups with confidence & diffuse Mr. Wrong if he's particularly persistent. We can both help each other to demonstrate value.

Has anyone attempted this before with any success? Any advice on openers/routines that can distinguish us as a non-couple without me looking like her chump? A perfect opener would introduce us favourably to the set, establish ourselves a single and also find out who in the set is available.

That might take a genius, but there seems to be a few around here.

I realise this is a controversial thread with many different views. If you're a believer, I'd like to hear your views. If you want to call me "weak" and "gay", I can handle that, too, but it's not going to dissuade me. I want to do this for fun and to help a friend.

Guys . . . go ahead and tell me I'm assuming bullshit or whatever. As I wrote, there is really hardly ANY difference between a pivot and some girl who knows the "game" holding your freaking hand with one hand and your bottle on the other. Nobody yet has been able to offer any real benefits of a "female wing" - your imaginary friend.

If you want to learn this game, sooner or later, you're going to have to OPEN sets. you're going to have to TALK TO WOMEN. You're going to learn to do this shit on your own. There is no short cut, there is no magic pill, and taking your little sister or big sister or your best buddies aunt to the dance ain't going to get you laid.

If you can comfortably open sets, engage women in conversation, close them out ON YOUR OWN, then having a pivot tag along with you can be fun. If you DO NOT have game on your own, meaning if you cannot go to a bar by yourself and come back home 3 hours later with numbers, dates, and or a girl by your arm, then telling some girl about his game and having her open sets for you can only make you look like a faggoty assed loser. I see these guys all the time in bars; I just shake my head and go, "WTF dude . . . " Do you think girls think of them any differently?

Sooner or later, some PUA business guy is going to come up with the "Monkey Wing concept" and will recommend you bring a monkey to a bar with you, so you can do back flips together to pull the ladies. I'm sure some of you will give that one a twirl as well . . .

Female wings and pivots are nice to have but dont let that distract you from honing your own game Female wings are just decorations on the cake. If you have them with you... good... if you dont.. thats good too their not necessary.