I don't know how many other girls read or post on this forum, but here's another. I just recently stumbled upon the underground society of PUAs, but I've been obsessed with it ever since if only for the psychology behind all these techniques. I'm currently reading Neil Strauss' "The Game," but I knew I wouldn't be satisfied with just a book; so, here I am. I'm excited to understand all of the various methods and get an inside look on how PUAs work and think.

Hi Alice, welcome to the forum

There are a few females lurking around here, so I'm sure they'll introduce themselves sooner or later.

It's funny.. women are FASCINATED by game theory. Once you get past their belief that it's manipulation, of course.

I actually ran a canned routine on a girl last night (c-vs-u), which I almost never do, and got 100% caught out.

"Hey, is that from The Game by Neil Strauss?"

but as Style says, all this means is you have something in common.

"OMG, you totally busted me. You know what? You are the first person since I got into this whole thing that's caught me out. Wasn't it an awesome book?"

And then queue an interesting conversation about how she came to read the book, etc.

I think for some people, they read it and get into it because they're desperate to pick-up chicks.. and for the rest of us the social dynamics and the psychology side of things just strikes a real chord in us - it's extremely intriguing.

Funny follow-up to that story.. after I got "caught out", I continued to run game on her.. negged, push/pulled, kino'ed a bit.. ended up number closing + a promise of catching up when I get to the London part of my trip.

Not bad considering she knows Mystery's London sarge crew (they wing the boot camps), so she should have been able to pick up what I was doing...

- Dex

You know, Dex, I was entirely against the methods and theories of PUAs at first. I too found the whole society incredibly manipulative, but at the same time, women can be extremely manipulative as well. But in the end, people shouldn't be ignorant enough to allow themselves to be manipulated so I feel it's also the fault of the person falling for the tricks.

In the end, I can't wait to meet a PUA. I look forward to the day when a guy can approach me and have something even remotely interesting to say. I suppose I've grown terribly bored with the male population that I've encountered. That's not to say I'll give you my number or even make you feel as if you've won me over in the slightest, but I do like a challenge.

-Alice

Forget all the PUA nonsense.. I think the single most valuable lesson that any man can get from reading The Game, and from being involved in this whole community, is how not to be an AFC.

A lot of guys think they're "being nice", whereas in fact they become little bitches.. and that's a terrible shame that they can be manipulated in that way. On the other hand, I think there is a vast difference between "being nice" and "being a little bitch" - you don't have to be an asshole to get girls.

Furthermore.. a lot of what is being taught is not really manipulative at all. I mean, sure, there are some out there that practice ways to manipulate women into bed, but for the most part I think you'll just find it's about improving social skills and self-confidence. There are no magic lines or routines that will make a woman want to sleep with you.
Where abouts in the world are you? You may already have met one and not known it. If not, I'll dispatch the stealth PUA ninja team to your location post-haste.

- Dex

I agree completely. I think that all these methods are great ways for guys to become more socially comfortable and make some people laugh while feeling good about himself. It's just frustrating sometimes when the guy so easily makes a girl feel special while not caring about her at all. But guys and girls, PUAs or not can and do pull that same stunt.

I'm in the US...near DC. I go out clubbing sometimes, but I think guys are hesitant to talk to me at all because I'm 18 (although I know people believe me if I say I'm 20). I was at a club last week with two of my girlfriends when a guy approached us and started talking with us. If he was a PUA, he didn't use any negs, but still kept us laughing and entertained. Plus, he gave us his number rather than getting ours. It was finally nice to meet a guy who could make me laugh, but it still wasn't the same as interacting with a PUA.

Where are you?

Yeah, I can just see her saying "Oh, I live in Orlando and I frequent the "Bar#17"."

You would find that over the next month every scenario known to man has now been run through that place and if your female and walk in you won't be able to go home alone. On the bright side... Alice, you would have some interesting guys to talk to. On the down side, you would be acosted every night by guys running the Cube on you or trying to "guess your number".

Yes, there would be some guys there who like the challenge AND who are ready for it... but you would still have to weed out the ones who just THINK they are ready for it.

I mean, how many budding PUA's do you think are ready for a women who knows what a "neg" is and is expecting them? Not many at all. Would be kinda freakin hilarious to see though... poor bastards.

EvoJ

I think the difference is that most (not all) guys use girls for sex, whereas most (not all) girls will use guys for other things.
Sure, but by not asking you for your number, he's demonstrating lower value instantly.. as I think you are aware, as you mention it. I think the difference is that with a real PUA you won't even realise he's trying to pick you up until he's making out with you... It's just this cool guy you and your friends met in the club and then suddenly you're back at his house, or on a second date, whatever.
Venice, Italy at the moment... but will be leaving here in October to travel through Europe, leaving London in Mid November, NYC for 12 days, Ottawa for a month, Vancouver for 5 days and then back to good old Perth Australia.

It's a seven night a week sarge-fest at the backpackers campground I'm staying at... Bar, internet cafe, beer garden + pizzeria + 18-25's tour groups = crazy mayhem.

- Dex

I only use a few canned routines nowadays and I actually got called out on one last night.. right in the middle, it was "Hey, is this from The Game?"

I recovered beautifully and still number closed.

The trick is to be ready for it to happen - because eventually it will. All it means is that you have something in common. Build on that.

"OMG, you read that book too? Wasn't it an AMAZING read?"

- Dex

Sounds exciting. Let me know how it goes; I've never been to Europe, but I love everything about it.

I do have one question though: How do you have the money to go on these trips and take time off from working?

Well for one welcome to the form Alice, always good to see females that are into PU. I think this knowledge is just as good for women as it is for men. I've coached a few women before and they have had great success with it.

I just wanted to say that I love Dex's story about being busted on the C vs U routine. What I really like is that even though he got busted, he kept going, he didn't let it effect him, and he even admitted it. Most guys i know would have completely froze or thought they blew it...so not true.

I also wanted to touch on the topic of the guy that gave you his number. I agree with Dex that he should have gotten yours... Cause here is my question. Did you ever call him?

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Sometimes you just have to reset the Nintendo, cause it's Game Over

fuck becoming more social and making people laugh... I wanna be evil... how do I get in tocuh with Jeffries?

Jeffries is the one that the quote "Leave them better than you found them" is attributed to.

This forum is about self-improvement and social dynamics.. you can leave the mysogony at the door thanks.

- Dex

there is a reason for it... I was never bad with women, they are naturally attracted to me, but I can't stand other guys being pounded by cold-hearted bitches day in and day out, I feel bad when my friends try to even be nice to women (not manipulate and pick them up) and have a good honest relationship with them (supposedly what they all want) only to get the coldest SPAM I have ever seen. I believe that guys have been gettin it up the ass from women for years, that's not right, I'm just evening the score... it's time for a change, time for guys not to chase women around like sick puppies, but to lead and control!

I can see your point - hell, I've been one of the guys - but the fact of the matter is that these guys bring it on themselves.

Okay, it sucks ass when a girl takes advantage of a guy... she'll get him to drive her places and buy him things... but do you think she does it on purpose? I can guarantee you that they do not sit at home in the morning going "Hrm.. how can I manipulate him today?"

It just comes out naturally to use them in such a way because the man has already capitulated to the woman... He's already previously demonstrated lower value and raised the "pussy on a pedestal".

The best thing you could possibly do for 'revenge' is to teach your friends how not to be complete AFC's. Give them a copy of the game, get them to stop buying girls drinks at clubs, etc.

Once the guys become good at recognising situations where they are about to be used, they will avoid them - and not just because they know the signs, but because they will have other options. The reason why most guys get used so badly by these women is that they don't have a choice.

Pretty soon, they'll be surrounded by women who actually appreciate the person that they are.

You can still pick up women without being an asshole. You can be a nice guy without being a chump.

- Dex

that's why I'm here, I'm here to learn and to be one of the best, if not the best, so I can teach and empower other guys, but in order to do that I need to learn more than just to be a desireable nice guy, I need to learn every dirty trick and secret so I have material to teach guys who don't look as good or don't have as much confidence...