This topic was tapped into during discussion on a separate matter, in a different thread. I thought it would make a good topic of discussion in a new thread.

Xecutioner: I think that many of us become oblivious to the fact that this THEIR GAME. We just have found ways to bypass or manipulate it in our favor. Don't fall victim to the same tactics you use yourself!

Don't quit playing and using your intuition and calibration! Even when you are totally comfortable with the girl and are easing into a meaningful relationship, DO NOT STOP. I think that many of us feel relief that our work has paid off and discontinue our methods of attraction prematurely.

Be alpha and stay in control, but more importantly don't get played and end up a sucker with a lump in your throat.

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your absolutely right brother. Power to us..if we know how to use it

Fall victim? Don't get played?

If thats how you see the dating scene, in a case of win and lose, player and playee, you have SERIOUS inner game issues.



Are you actually frightened that a girl might actually try to seduce you?

Have you ever been seduced by a girl? It's incredibly flatering and satisfying.

i have to agree with Fin here. isn't the whole point of the game to get a girl? regardless of whether you want to 'keep' her or not, the point is to get her. are you saying that you refuse to be picked up yourself? doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose?

as to attraction in a relationship, definitely keep it up. push/pull might slow down, but keep forms of attraction active to keep her, and she'll do the same.

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the place where optimism most flourishes is the lunatic asylum...

It's actually the game of any socially advanced human being.
Based on emotional and territorial imprints that were made upon us as children, as well as other stuff that we learn as we get older, skills which are mainly acquired by those who have been raised into a worldview that places them among the top value people, or above. (or beliefs that allows them to neglect the idea of social value, and thus allows them to be perceived as higher status,)


Becoming PUA and attaining good Inner Game allows you to move outside the social "Game" and enter a state that is of deeper understanding of the sub-communication, which most of the Natural Top Value people (Naturals and HBs) are oblivious to, or have only vague ideas of, depending on their path to that position.

Believing that you have to Manipulate the people, as though you have to wear a mask or something, isn't really good game, but it may help you while starting out (Until you really figure the stuff out)


Learning to metaprogram yourself, change your beliefs either through sheer will, or through experience, will boost your game, and you won't need the metaphorical mask, because you will, probably at that point, realize that your metaphorical face is as changeable as the mask ever will be.
That Value is an abstract, which makes it impossible to define,
That the Game, happens automatically, naturally and easily, once you have realized your own ability to conjure these abstracts that the Game is dependent on (Kinda like realizing that You're the banker at Monopoly, and the other players are blind, easily impressed, possibly demented and/or playing another game.)


I know some of the people here will understand what I'm talking about.

But for those who don't,
Imagine listening to a piece of music, and then realizing; hey, it's you who's playing it, in your head... there is no music.
There is no spoon.
There is no game.

And there is game.
(This is my way of modeling this stuff, which is heavily influenced by stuff like Zen, Buddhism, Quantum Physics, Magick, etc. So that's why the way of explaining becomes a bit... metaphysical, at times.)


If nothing else, Cheer up.
You'll get it soon, when you're unconscious, realizes what you are trying to understand, isn't, and what you need to understand already is, as you dream, maybe, or read through this stuff again, with new eyes.

Of course I'm playing with your head.


Cheers

That last response was a bit too pompous for me to read the whole thing, and do I appreciate the condescending remarks at the end, but you guys have twisted my words around.

flypapermeems: That was what i was getting at.

Im not talking about a girl seducing me, im talking about the girl you have seduced getting bored as soon as you let up your game. I have lived through this same scenario several times and it always seemed that as soon as i started feeling for someone they would be turned off and push me away. Its because I would go idle back into comfort and try to be the stereotypical good boyfriend.

I am proposing that possibly it is beneficiary to cycle through the attraction, comfort, seduce stages in a relationship long after you you have already "got the girl".

And regarding the title of this thread, we should not let up our game because women have no choice but to continue the psychological processes in which we are here to understand and utilize.

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Im not neccesarily refering to M3, I was just using the terms for reference to what I was talking about.

As for wolf's post I don't care much for people trying to run DHV in the forum, we arent the ones you should be picking up.

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Hahaha

I take it as a compliment, X.
But: What condescending Remarks ?



I'll sum it up for you in less fancy words and ideas
If you change the way you perceive the world and the people in it, through, as I said, either will or experience, the world will actually be different.
"The map is not the territory"
Your Perceptions and Beliefs about the World isn't The World.
They're a model of the world, a map, a way of understanding it.

So changing what you believe the world to be will change what the world "is".

I'll give you an example I heard somewhere.
A bald man had this belief.
Belief: Girls won't date a bald man
Way of changing that belief: He was told to go out and ask the ten next really Beautiful women "Hey, I'm just coming over here to confirm that you would never date a bald man. Right?" I think it was like 3 out of 20 girls who said "yes, they'd never date bald men"
15 said something like "no, of course they would date bald men"
and 2 of them said they "get turned on by bald men"


This is, in a way, what you do through MM and such (since they base themselves on forcing you to approach regardless of your beliefs, and thus in almost all cases proving to yourself that the beliefs that you used to have weren't true) by their idea of commitment.

Exercise: Find a belief you currently have that is cramping your game, and go out and prove this belief. Remember to be objective throughout the experiment, or bring a Wingman who can observe it, or even be the wingman yourself, and watch as the world neglects your perfectly "logical" idea of what would happen.


I'm not sure I'm trying to DHV you, man.
But it would be cool of you to consider what I have to say, and try out this model of "Reality" for at least a little while.


I'll restate; The Game is what has naturally evolved through years of socially strong people trying to establish themselves within a model of Top Dog and Bottom Dog. Completely normal mammalian behavior.
Learning the Game is about learning the little things that separate the behavior from Top Dogs and Bottom Dogs, and then utilizing it.

A Natural will push-pull, without knowing why.
A HB will push-pull, without knowing why.
Because this is part of a sub-communication and is, for most people, guided by unconscious reflexes. They will feel that something is right and do so, without being able to rationalize the action.

I have a friend who's a real Natural, and I've noticed him doing it, without being able to explain why, when I asked him. He "just didn't feel like..." or "felt like doing it".


And as you eventually see the whole system and how it works, you are able to move without it, inside it as you wish, through conscious decisions.

But when you do, for a period of time, act like the King, you become the King. if you communicate the right things on all the levels of communication.
Like Emperor Norton, His Imperial Majesty, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico.

When you get to a certain level you will probably be able to chose for yourself which beliefs benefit you, and which are just keeping you back.
That way you can, effectively, chose your own reality.
(Like the Gurus do)
Perhaps one where you drift from VIP rooms to VIP rooms, picking up women all night long, packed with HB9s and suchlike.
Some people do this.


The Belief that you have to keep up a Game, is what will keep a lot of people back, since they then have an attractive side, and a boring side.
So when they get in relationships the woman is bound to "realize" that they're not that way all the time, and that sucks for them.

Picture this; you meet a girl, she's soo cool you immediately get attracted to her, she's beautiful and fun and smart.
Eventually you get into a relationship, it turns out she was acting cool, and all the things you felt attracted to were just acts. Not "Real".


And now We're back to changing beliefs about yourself, and who you are.
Building an attractive personality, and implementing this into who you are, instead of just having a mask you put up each time you go out so people will like you.
Find the beliefs that you need to be the confident, cocky, funny, teasing person, calm and confident in who You are. And realize the sides of who you are that are attractive.

You don't want to run out and attract Rave-girls if you're not into that sort of stuff... by putting on a mask and pretending you like that sort of stuff, building rapport on nothing but smoke and mirrors.


I'll end up going in circles here, but I hope you understand what I'm telling you.
Being PUA isn't about acting like PUA, but attaining the beliefs that the PUA has, and letting that be a part of who you are.

There's something on the Forum here about building an Avatar vs. Building an attractive lifestyle.
Look it up


Cheers, dude.