hey guys need a bit of help progressing from the initial opening. i got no problem walking up and using a premade opener but then im kinda lost with what to do after that to keep the ball rolling. should i fluff a little then a routine. also what if the girl just doesnt wanna play at all. how can i get around it

well it depends what kind of opener you use. for example i use the opener: "hey guys i need a female opinion on something. who lies more girls or boys?"
this opener gives me plenty of stuff to say.
You can tease her. do some routines: look at other forums. look at the forum mid game!!!
best of luck
alex

Frat, this is the time to learn some stuff about her. You can tell jokes, juggle, mind read, palm read all day long, but if you do that, hey you're not learning anything about her. You're just a performer.

Anyways be cool about it. Try something like "Hey you're really in shape. WHat do you do, live at the gym? Are you in the Marine Corps? Are you a bouncer or something?

What ever. Now you got a connection. Next time you see her you can remind her of that.

"Hey!! It's my bouncer buddy!"

"Sooooo, now that we're good friends, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?!"

Or, in my choadiest voice I can "Soo, uhh, do you come here often?" or "Do, do you like music?" (listen to Neil Hamburger to get the right idea)

Sometimes the worst lines can actually become great openers and routines if you use them creatively. As counter-intuitive as they sound, those kind of lines almost always hook, and girls think they're hilarious.

If you haven't had a girl call you out yet for using VH-1 openers, you will. In fact, you have to be careful when using any Mystery-style indirect openers, even if they're not on TV.

I don't play direct game often, but I do use a lot of direct openers. A great way to open is to use role playing. A solid role playing opener can provide you will a limitless amount of material to use after the hook. I like to walk up to random girls and pretend like we're already friends; I will apologize for being late, blame it on traffic and no parking, tell her how my grandmother called while I was parking, and how this dog was chasing her, and.......................you get the idea. I almost never fail with this opener, but you have to just walk right into a room and do it. When this one hooks, it usually hooks big.

Another great role playing routine is the "5-minute relationship". I will say something like "Hey. You should be my girlfriend. <pause> For five minutes. <pause> Then, we're going to break up!" You can create all sorts of fun interactions with this, like fake dates, dancing, and real kisses. After you break up, you can have even more fun. I recently number closed my first model when I told her that "I want us to go to relationship counseling." Now when we talk to each other, the role play still continues. I will do stuff like complain about her destroying my sweater, and she will whine about how I never took her out to dinner like I promised.

If you can hook a set with a role playing opener or routine, these can become some of the best, most fun, and easiest sets to interact with. Most girls like role playing and improvising, so they will get into character and provide a huge amount of material that will carry you all the way through mid-game and potentially all the way to the close.

great advice guys. definately try that stuff out next time. its orientation week for new uni students at my home town so ill be out and practicing hard. cheers for the ideas!!!

This is a really important point. I do magic but I will use it to learn more about the girl. So I will ask them if they believe in magic/supernatural stuff which is learning something about them and then do some magic to demonstate higher value.

Or I may ask them if they are stong minded which is learning something about them. Then do a trick where I control what they do which means i am having fun with them at the same time. Creates powerful attraction.

This way I am not just a performer I am interacting in a very positive way.