Hey.. so I have this friend I've been trying to get into The Game for awhile.. He is still a virgin, he's 21 and not a bad looking guy.. He kind of looks like Seth Rogen from 40 yr old virgin and Knocked Up and he's very socially shy.....Anyway he comes to me for advice and I try to tell him some of the stuff I've learned.. I've given him cds dvds and reccomended books to him.. I think he read the first chapter of Double Your Dating and said. "ahh man this is shit" he has this misconception that this stuff will change him into someone that he isn't.. someone "fake" Granted some of the stuff is canned, but it's just a stepping stone so that you can write you own stuff.. anyway this guy is going to be my roomate next year and my neigbhorhood is infested with HBs 7-10's.. I think my friend has it in his head that he can "outsmart" this thing called "women".. that somehow it will get better for him.. anyone out there have any advice for me on how to help this guy??

Try having him read THE GAME. The way Style presents pick-up is very positive. I knew of PUA before I read the book but thought like your friend and stayed away. I read The Game and it totally changed my opinion.

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Yeah, if hes so against the direct PUA books that you've given him. Try giving him The Game to read, thats a good idea.

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show your game in action in front of him..that will sway him the fastest unless he has a too many negative beliefs...

sometimes you just got accept your new path .. And what you need to do is forget the old path you use to walk.

Change can be a great thing, but it can be a tough thing. Simply due to the people arond you that they are not willing to change while at the same time you are changing constantly.


Becarefull the path you are choosing........



Magic J

Like MagicJ said, be careful and make sure you want the change.

When I went through this whole "new to pick up phase" and even before that when I started to realize the possibilities of picking up, I began changing. Friends who don't want to change prefer you not to change either. And the same thing is vice-versa. If you don't want to adjust and your friend does, you aren't going to support your friend in fear of what they will become.

Also, you cannot force the game on someone. They have to be open to interpret it and live by a new code. If they don't want to change, then it will just be a waste of time.

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My experience has been that you can't bring people into this community. They have to find it on there own out of a desire for a better life and the realization that what they were told isn't true.

Let it go. You know this is the best path for him but you can't make make him walk it.

Anyone who has friends of loved ones who are addicts has gone through the same thing. You know they are going the wrong way but you just have to let go and hope that they find that place where they realize what they are doing is bad for them and look for ways out.

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U cant bring people into the game. i tried bringing a friend of mine in my social circle, so i wouldnt lose him. Doesnt work. They need to be self motivated and pursue this for themself.

try doing something like. "hey man, tomorrow night we are going out, and I am going to be your wing...just try it out once...for ME. If you hate it and think it was total bull then we can just carry on and act like nothing happened, and if it goes well then great we can go out again, please man do this for ME.


this will get him feeling guilty, and he will say to himself, "hey, it is just 1 night, what's so bad about that?"

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my friend was a virgin at 22, after my first visit to Thailand I told him exactly how easy it is to get laid there he jumped at the chance to go. Now he's married to a Thai lady both living in the UK. He likes reading but is very skeptical of pick up. I recomended the game just as a good read (as he enjoys reading) but he thinks its a pile of shit. Well if he hadnt have married his Thia bride he'd still be a virgin and he'd have studied pick up.

He think Mystery is an idiot, he thinks the routines are retarded and he thinks pick up is a joke. Needless to say I wont be helping him if/when his marraige fucks up.

DONT HELP THEM IF THEY DONT WANT TO HELP THEMSELVES!!!!!

That's a good point, but I think you should try to push them just a little...because they may want to be a PUA they jjst don't understand what it is. However if the push doesn't work like sundayraver said, "Don't Help Them!"

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