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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:52 am 
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This is my first attempt to catalogue my own personal method, the method that's been working for me. There are some on the forum I think this may be a great help to (Dorian, I'm looking at you...). Others may not. Pick and choose at your own discression.

You will find similarities to Mystery Method and Juggler Method here. I'm not claiming this is a wholly original text come completely from my imagination. Instead, look at it as a sort of middle ground between these two very different styles of play.

Monkey Method

1) Approach your Target. That’s right, your target. Do not ignore her. She is the reason you have come to the group, and she should know that right off the bat.
2) Meet and Greet. Traditionally, this has been considered part of the opener, but it is not. How you establish communication, through non-verbal cues and salutations, is as important as having something interesting to talk about. Assume your ready stance. Smile. Say one of the many salutations in our language: “Hello.” “Hey there.” “Hi!” Even the “I’d like to get your opinion on something…” line is meet-and-greet.
3) Open. Make a strong statement or ask an interesting question. It can be situational: “That tattoo looks like it has a story behind it.” Or it can be something taken from your own life: “I got attacked by clowns today.” Or it can be one of the many canned openers available to you: “Do you believe magic spells work?”
4) Register, Respond, Relate, and Reward. The Four R’s. Listen to your target’s response, and respond accordingly. Ensure that your response relates to theirs in some way; do not make closed-ended statements or ask closed-ended questions. If your target responds in a way you particularly appreciate, reward through escalation or mild compliment. “It’s interesting you feel that way. You should sit with me for a bit.” or “You’re witty. I like that.” Be interesting. Be funny. Be your bestself. Improvise.
5) Re-thread. Before your opener grows stale, or if the conversation begins to lag, change topics. This can be as simple as introducing a new opener. Those of us gifted in performance may wish to insert their favorite trick or routine here. Repeat step four. You should re-thread no more than three times.
6) Qualify Her Status. If you have not already, ask the group “So how does everyone know one another?” If your target is dating another member of the group, re-thread once more and politely eject. Monkey Method does not promote the stealing of girlfriends. Most of the time. If your target is not presently involved in a relationship, proceed to step seven.
7) Isolate the Target. Tell her you have something important to tell her, or that you have something interesting to show her. Alternatively, if you have strong rapport with the group, ask if you can take her away for a bit. The group will almost always say “Sure, if it’s alright with her.” This utilizes subtle peer pressure, but may backfire if the group is not sufficiently warmed up to you. Use your discretion.
8) Tell a very personal story. Something from your life that has intense emotional context for you. Make it sincere. But make sure you follow up with something about her. For those familiar with palm-reading, tarot, magic tricks and the like, you may wish to utilize those skills here. For those less initiated, the Harmless Cube is almost always a good routine, and is easy to learn. Follow up with Strawberry Fields to bring the conversation into a sexual frame. Imagination games are fun, and are good, simple cold-read techniques.
9) State Values. Make strong statements about your emotions, desires, passions. Ask open-ended questions about her emotions, desires, passions, and allow her to make similar statements or ask similar questions. Be ready to fill dead air. She may not yet be willing to give 50% to the conversation, and so you may still have to do 90% of the talking. If you have not already, establish kino. Small touches at first, reassuring pats or a squeeze of the hand. Slowly escalate. Trace her upper arm with your fingers. Brush stray hair away from her face. Hold her hand while triangular gazing (left eye, right eye, mouth, repeat). Rest your hand on her thigh. When sexual tension has reached a good peak, continue to step ten.
10) Kiss Close. If your location is not conducive to intimacy, express your desire to have another conversation later and ask if there is a way you can contact her later. If the SPAM permits intimacy, look directly into her left eye with your left eye, then her left eye with your left eye, then her mouth with both. At her mouth, pause whatever you are saying and look back into her right eye. Say: “Would you like to kiss me?” in a slow, even tone. If she says yes, kiss her. If she says maybe, say: “Let’s find out,” and kiss her. If she says no, say “I didn’t say you could. It just looked like you had something on your mind.” If she says no, go back to step nine. At high enough levels of kino, it may seem like you don’t need to ask. It is, however, good form to do so. Kissing a girl who has not expressed an interest in being kissed is sexual assault. Sexual assault is bad.
11) Full Close. After kissing, continue conversation, interspersed with more kissing. Alternatively, you may now attempt to number-close. “We should get back to our friends. Is there a way I can contact you so we can talk again?” If this does not produce a phone number or e-mail address, you may ask directly. If you would like to attempt the full close, ask about her travel arrangements and ensure her friends know that she will be getting home safely. “We’re just going to get something to eat, and then I’ll call a cab for the both of us.” Just don’t tell her friends you are both going back to your place. Have a good reason to go back to your place that has nothing to do with sex. MP3s on your computer, watching the cat do back flips or checking out recently developed photos of your vacation are all acceptable. I am also partial to “Come back to my place and we’ll rub lotion into each other’s skin… Wait… You’re pretty tall. I don’t have enough lotion for you…” Follow up with another good reason that has nothing to do with sex.
12) Expect Last-Minute Resistance. Factor it into your game plan. It is a woman’s shield against feeling like a complete slut. It is natural and understandable that she does not want to be seen as merely a sex-object. Don’t let it get to you. Just take a break. Get up and get a drink. Put your socks back on. Pee, if you have to. This is called a freeze-out and makes her work to get your attention back. She wants to sleep with you, she just doesn’t want to feel like a whore while she’s doing it.
13) Enjoy the Morning Together. I like to cook, so I’ll usually whip up some eggs or waffles and suggest we go out for a cup of coffee. Buying breakfast may be better for you, depending on your kitchen skills. If you don’t have it yet, get her phone number.
14) Call Her Back. Make sure you call within two days. Even if it is just a one-night stand, calling will reinforce the idea that sleeping with you does not make her a slut. As much as we make out that we don’t care what a woman thinks, we do. Here’s why: anyone in marketing will tell you that one happy customer will tell, at most, three of their friends about your product. An unhappy customer will tell ten by way of warning. You don’t need a bad reputation in your favorite bars, so make sure the girls go away happy and satisfied. Also, if she knows you’re a player (and she does because you told her during step nine that you like to see multiple women… right?) she can later make for a great pivot. No one sells you better than someone who’s given you a thorough test-drive.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:36 am 
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Nice post Monkey. Your method has good ideas. I like the notion of approaching your target and letting her know you are interested.
I also like the idea of isolating her pretty soon.
The one thing I am a bit unsure about is whether it is desirable to tell the target something emotional about yourself. I think this can be taken as a demonstration of neediness or something of that sort.

thanks for your post!


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Very nice method Monkey. Next time I go out I am gonna try that rather then neg the target while you approach and open the group.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:17 am 
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I didn't say a needy story. I said an emotional one. Emotions run the gamut from "This made me really happy!" to "This is something that scared the hell out of me." Let her know that you are comfortable talking about your emotions, whatever those emotions happen to be, and you will automatically give her permission to do the same. It's a killer rapport building technique; opening up encourages her to open up to you.

And if you do end up telling a story that makes you seem needy, make fun of yourself mercilessly for it. Self depreciation and disqualification can be powerful tools if used properly.

You: So there was this girl I had a HUGE crush on. I know, I know, it's dumb, but nerdy guys with crushes need love too. And she wanted nothing to do with me. So I sent her flowers, and wrote her love notes, and offered to give her backrubs all the time. And I heard from her friend she thought I was creepy. So you know what? Fuck it. From now on, I get to be the needy one. I'm high maintenance, now. Girls have to write ME love notes and give ME backrubs... Are you any good at giving back rubs? No? Well we're broken up then. (Go talk to another girl for a bit.) Ok... So you're not good at back rubs. What DO you have going for you?

Note that in the above I've mixed Juggler's "I'm high maintenance" with Tyler Durden's "I need to find me a woman who can cook." I may even use this later.


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Ok well I have a question with your whole emotions run the gamut. I was just out tonight drinking with my dad at our local bar that we hit in Wetaskiwin "Slicks" Its an old person bar, most are 40+ here, but I like to go out and drink with my dad and mom and we went out and there was this nice HB 8 waitress that just started 2week ago when I left for my shift of work. I started picking her up and running my game... my dad and mom left and this friend of my dad ... who was really drunk at the time came up and started running his mouth. He said I need to watch myself when I am in that bar without my dad, that I needed to watch what I say about how much I make with my job, (I never say how much I make just that I love my job). He also said that some of the guys might think I was being rude to the waitress I was pickin up. (And again I was just playing the game... telling her she should buy me a drink and talk with me since every other guy in the bar was eye-fucking her and was 20+ years her age.) But I still kept my cool... then this 40+ year old AFC told me the only reason my mom and dad were together was cause my mom had me and my dad felt he had an obligation to my mom to stay cause of me drew the line. I got pissed and shoved the guy (who is my dads friend) and told him to watch what he said around me since he was drunk... But he kept pushing and pushing

I tried so hard to keep that emotion of anger bottled up around my target (the waitress) But then I snapped and told the guy that I was gonna beat the crap out of him if he didn't shut up. The entire bar heard this and I left the table and went to the bar to calm down. The waitress came up and asked what the problem was and I was clearly agressive, I told her what happened and how it made me feel and what I was gonna do if he came over. She said thats alright to feel that way. But I told her I was going home. I didn't get a number close or anything... so what I wanna know is, Is losing your cool infront of a target when she knows something like that went on and you were the bigger man and walked away a bad thing. Even when you leave the bar with a number close. She told me she works tomorrow and Saturday and tomorrow night after my date with another HB I am gonna go back to the bar when she is working to she if I can get a date out of her. But ya.... please make a comment since we are on the topic of emotions. Personally I think I blew it when that guy made that particalar comment. Normally you can joke about anything with me. Say I am gay, say I have a small dick, say I can't pick up women, say I am usless. But that comment struck a certain cord I didn't like being struck. In front of a target I thought it was even worse.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:28 pm 
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First, I give you my moral support for hearing such crap from that old frustrated idiot.

Second, I think you did the right thing and you didn't lose your cool. (In my book, losing you cool is sending that motherfucker to the hospital with as much blood as possible).

I think what you did creates a great story and a great chance to go back to the bar and say the girl you feel bad she had to see you like that or whatever and try to ask her number or something. Hey, at least she will remember you.

two cents there.


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Ya plus I was just loaded on Rye and if you have ever been drunk on rye and someone pisses you off, you know how hard it is not to beat em up. But ya I guess it will make a good openner to start her up again. Because from what I remember of last night I was getting tons of IOIs from her, but just never jumped on them. She was flicking her hair, showing off her neck to me, positioned her body towards me when we sat down, kept straight eye contact, gently rubbed her legs against me, touched my hand, etc. But as I said I was drunk and playing the game but too slow to realize what was happening. So I think I might have a good chance with her. The only thing is when I started to find out about her life story see is 25 years old, has 2 kids 7 and 4 got married at 17 to the father and recently divorced because of too much mental abuse from him. Is that too much baggage?


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The only thing is when I started to find out about her life story see is 25 years old, has 2 kids 7 and 4 got married at 17 to the father and recently divorced because of too much mental abuse from him. Is that too much baggage?
wow. I think it sure is. especially if you want to game her, and not become the new father. wow. sad story.


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I know when I heard that it didn't bother me... but I sure did change my game on her. I turned it into a more caring game. I negged her but not as much. She still interested the hell out of me though. She was a really awesome chick, just things didn't happen as planned for her.


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Hey don't leave me out of this.
Remember monkey when you first preposed the idea i was making fun of you for it well i didn't know you were serious damn monkey pretty decent method i tell ya however i don't know about the not negging her though.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:20 am 
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On losing your cool:

The best way to make sure things like this don't escalate out of control is to return, and shift. Give the guy back 100% of his agression, no more, and no less. Then treat him like your best friend. It's a simple AMOG tactic that works under a lot of agressive circumstances. It shows him, very clearly, how big of a dick he's being. If he pushes you and screams "FUCK YOU!" push him back exactly as hard and scream "FUCK YOU!" Then pull out some gum and offer him a piece. Or compliment his T-shirt. AMOGing is both better for your game and better for gathering a good social setting. Social setting also improves your game, so you should always think of ways you can improve yours.

I suggest you go back to the bar only for her. As for worrying about her and her kids and her baggage, you should already have told her what you want out of any sort of relationship via SOI. If you haven't said "I'm not really into long-term relationships; I feel love is too fleeting to try and nail down" or something similar, you should as soon as your rapport is high enough.

Regarding Negs:
Negs are utilized almost primarilly to negotiate the social situation. She's with her friends, she has the upper hand, and you're turning that social mechanism against her. Monkey Method doesn't rely on the social mechanism. You haven't approached her friends, you've approached her and gotten her to introduce you to her friends. In Monkey Method, and similarly Juggler Method, you work at building rapport with HER. We're not trying to give you value because her friends like you because when her friends are gone that value no longer matters. We're trying to give you value based upon your own value, the rapport you've built, and your own confidence. Negging will take away from that effect.

If, however, you are more comfortable maneouvering through the social strata than approaching her directly, negs are a powerful tool that should not be underestimated. It depends on your situation and your own calibration. I'm calibrated to deal with her first. You're calibrated to deal with her friends first.

As with any other method presently on the market, take what works for you and leave what doesn't. Don't adopt Monkey Method entirely, because it is specifically built for me. Instead, build Jaxin Method from bits and pieces you've gathered over your time in the community.


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i'm planning on calling it Jaxin Formula


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"Method" would be better recieved I think. Consider the context of what you're building. Thus far, every major method has been called just that: a Method. By calling yours a "formula" instead, you're simply adding to lexicon and jargon in a field full of lexicon and jargon. If you feel your method is so completely different from the norm that it requires new terminology, I'm looking forward to reading it already. If, however, it builds on what has already been established, calling it The Jaxin Formula is a minor and superficial change that, I think, will undermine it's acceptance and thus its utilization in the field.

Just my two cents.


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Monkey , I really think that your method is only for 8 - 9 girls because opening a set and go directly to your target saying is 8 - 9 will work but opening a set with a 10 - 10+ and going directly to the target and not even saying a neg , will be a crash and burn. Why ? Because lets say theres a two girl set there is a 10 and a 7 , if you go and start talking and you only focus on the 10 your loosing a very important piece of the game , that is the obstacle, if you go to the 7 that never get the attention of boys; the 10 will say wow this guy is weird why he isnt talking to me so he will try to get your attention and then you say a neg to her , she will say wtf come on , talk to me :twisted: !! The 7 will like you because your giving her the attention that she allways wanted and you will be available to isolate the 10. Otherwise when you try to isolate the target and you have only talked a little bit with the 7 and you only have focused with the 10 when you try to isolate the 7 will stop you and the 10 will tell you : I'm sorry i cant leave my firend alone.


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That could very well be. And it may also be part of the reason I keep getting cock-blocked by the obstacles. I'll need to take that into consideration and review a bit. Thanks for your input, xfman.


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