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 Post subject: quite an odd case of aa
PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:03 pm 
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hi. a lot of you will know me and my excuses (LOL!)

my names shred and im approachaphobic.

the odd obstacle in this case is when speaking to new people im generally 100% comfortable.

thats right, new girls whatever i feel comfortable. i control the situation and feel fine.

its just the whole approaching thing. they say feel the fear and do it anyway. this is so daunting for me. im genuinely scared of what will happen.

any of you read i hope they serve beer in hell? my friend said im just like slingblade. you tucker max fans will understand haha.

ive been accused of searching for a magic pill that will help me get over aa. this is true, theres openers that always seem to work, closes that always work, but no approach killers.

i dont wanna pay out like £300 for a set of cds that may or may not help me. i just wanna know how yall got over it. approaching is not a way of getting over approach anxiety btw. its like saying drinking is the way to get over alcohol addiction. i know flooding techniques can work with some peoples phobias, but it wouldnt help me, i know it.

im even scared to ask for the time. what the hell is wrong with me!

by the way guys, i dont want anything posted on here insulting telling me i make excuses blah blah blah. im mainly talking to hobbit.

i wanna help myself but i dont know how to yet.

help me to help myself.
then eventually, i may be able to help you

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Maybe start small, then work your way up in gradual steps?

Also, use opinion openers. You'll have nothing to fear - you're just asking for an opinion, not sex.

Dont spend $300 to solve a simple problem.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:10 pm 
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I too have a problem with cold openers. I rarely open but then I have a high hit rate on closing (I could improve so much if I wasn't so scared to open!). Do you have any pivots you can use to introduce you to her friends? Work on getting a good friendship with a sociable girl you know and get introduced to her friends. This way she is 'opening' them, and you can then lead as you've said your very comfortable taking the reins after that.

You can also try to push girls into opening you. Peacock and be the party, centre of attention among you friends. Re: Tucker Max style! Reading that book definitely gets you feeling confident and excited about gaming. With strong inner game you will attract girls to you, have fun I assure you people will take notice!

Are you mainly referring to night game? Wing with guys you feel comfortable with and who may have less of an issue with opening sets.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:53 pm 
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cheers for the input. my inner game lacks, and im no good at closing. im not kino minded, so i tend not to fuel attraction when its created. im working on that though! i have pivots but i still see this as an approach, so i get that rush and get scared shitless. day game is a no go for me. i only see girls at college really and i see the same ones all the time so if it went badly theyd recognise me. thats one of my stupid fears! ive made progress though. i used to be extremely unconfident and shy. ive come out of my shell btu even my friends who are the ebst with girls are scared to approach. this makes me feel worse!

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approaching is not a way of getting over approach anxiety btw. its like saying drinking is the way to get over alcohol addiction.
Surely it's like saying just giving up drinking is the way to get over alcoholism?
You're an alcoholic? Just stop drinking. Simple as that - except of course, it isn't. Same with this AA problem (ironic that AA means things to both situations eh).
I used to be worse than you. Then from reading stuff here I git a bit braver and found that it wasn't so bad. Some girls that might appear icy cold actually aren't. Plus I remember that girls in clubs and bars do secretly want to be opened, despite some of my early failures.
Hang in there though. I can't offer any real cutting advice. I think you have to work on something in your mind so that it reverses your psychology such that you will actually want to approach. I don't know enough to say how. I discovered an opener that doesn't need an approach; just spill your drink on them, then they have to talk to you! But I can't really recommend it...


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 Post subject: Re: hi
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i see the same ones all the time so if it went badly theyd recognise me. thats one of my stupid fears!
lol I've done this twice

im cooler, i have more friends, and i was trying to be cool wit her.

so fuck em, das i delt wit em :D

u cant get over AA. it's natural. dont think about gaming em, ur both human beings lol. if shes an asshole, fuck em u were just being nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfCSEb1v ... playnext=1

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and if ur friends are also scared of approuch is the same reason as u, cause u guys r gassing each other. da really kills ur confidence


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I still get it but instead of letting it get in the way I use it to help. It's like the feeling just before you go on stage, that little fear makes you sharper.
But yar just keep approaching and you will eventually learn to control it.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:34 pm 
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firstly, i used to get stage fright jaybot. so ididnt perform. then all of a sudden i realised i was excited rather thn scared. i dunno how i can apply this to approaching though. cos i consistently feel scared. when im scared and play guitar i fuck up royally. are you saying i should just fuk up with girls? until im good at fucking up and can move it on, i mean lol. btw, heres an example of my odd fearlessness. girls frighten me, yet today i had a guitar performance at college and inbetween songs i was dong stand up comedy. i introduced my blues band as sex corpse, and i advertised my porn collection for sale. that stuff dont scare me at all. and i played fine in front of many people.in fact i fucked up a lil bit but i didnt care. this is because its non consequential! women to me do not seem non consequential. do you understand jay?

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I understand think about it this way, it is always scarier playing by yourself to one person than in a band to a hundred. The reason for this is it seems personal and the outcome is completely in your hands. This is a different kind of fear and is more based within yourself.
Long story short you will fuck up with girls but just like a bad performance you can't let it affect you instead use it to improve. After lots of approaches you will get the same realizations of excitement rather than fear, you had with performing.

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i totally understand guys. ive been reading a lot if inner game stuf and its helping me. i got opened today actually by a girl. she was really ugly and stupid, btu she like offered her name up straight away. lol this would seem like a minor success but i then saw her eating with the retarded people at college, so... =/ lol, but im coming out of my shell more socially. i realised today that im not particularly bad at talking to women, im just focused on the outcome as nerdwhore 8832 (lol!) pointed out. i think my conversationaly skills are quite good, ive never properly used any pickup material for conversations cos its just not right for me. its helped me become a natural conversationalist which is a good skill to have. i ws going over in my head a conversation i had on the train which was mainly about humour and jokes. i ended up telling some awful awful jokes but this one girl loved em even though a) she didnt get em b) they were sicker than i care to explain its all about the delivery. she was like watching my eyes for half the conversation now i think about it, and im sure thats an IOI.

anyone got good links on transitioning? i can talk but i cant transition to the next stage, i.e. kino, seduction, attraction, whatever lol

but thanks for the input kids!

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Eye contact and kino are the best way I have found to escalate. Slow your voice down, hold intense eye contact and remember the saying kino like its a disease and you will do well.

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well yeh that woluldnt have worked with this girl cos it was on the train and she was an aisle and a person away, so yknow, lol, but i see what your getting at.

do you have a particular system for kino? like an escalation ladder.
also, do you get kisses and stuff from day game? cos it seems to be a rare feat tbh. i know your game is like 100% night game, but im just wondering.

when ive kinoed in the past ive ALWAYS felt like im overstepping a boundary i shouldnt be in. is this normal? thinking about it, my one great success from actual gaming worked cos i was just in the zone yknow. i was kinoing like crazy, the eye contact was there, I never leant in, and I was totally indifferent to any drama she made up. she threw a beer over my player friend cos he said the wrong thing, but when i did it she stormed off. she expected me to go get her and apologise but i carried everything on as normal and she loved it! lol! although, this was a party, wed both had a bit of booze. But hey, success is success no matter how it comes around (except rape...)

if i were to kino it'd be like, arms (light touch during conversation), hands (checking out a ring or some bullcrap), back, lowerback/arse, then i'd expect it to go a bit further if you get me. ;-)

is this along the right lines?

btw, im going to a club next week and its fancy dress. any ideas that indicate like preselection, presence etc.

also a party lined up, jungle theme, need a costume. im a little on the heavy side so nothing showing off the flesh. tarzans a cliche =\

cheers for following the post btw jaybot. (i actually called myself jaybot at one point, just letting you know haha)

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Maybe start small, then work your way up in gradual steps?

Also, use opinion openers. You'll have nothing to fear - you're just asking for an opinion, not sex.

Dont spend $300 to solve a simple problem.
Spot on.
Some products do help you, especially confidence and programs aimed at destroying your limiting beliefs.
The best course is action!

As to answer your question the way I got over my fear was shattering my limiting beliefs, which required direct action!
I went out in london, during the day and started off asking simple questions. At first I was absolutly petrefied and couldnt even ask someone the time just like you, this was because I thought people would bite my head off and be bitchy. I was wrong and it was a bad belief. I started asking guys the time, asking directions and building up from there.

My mindset shifted, i no longer had the excuses people are bitchy and wont want to talk, because 99% of people are always willing too talk to you politely. I started talking until i felt uncomfortable, pushed myself a little more and then ejected, I dont know where the pressume came from as coolguy says you're not aksing for sex, when you have no outcome dependancy a lot of the pressure goes.

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I just replied to a post like this earlier...Unfortunately there is no magic pill to get rid of anxiety, however, you should approach it(no pun intended) at a different angle. Here is something that really helped me out!
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Step 1.

You are not to go to any bars or clubs for the next month. At all. You may go to pubs with your friends, but no “sarging.” No bars. Nothing.

What you will do is make changes daily. Here’s how.

Step 2.

For the next month, you will take a 30-minute walk every day. Pick a neighborhood that’s easy to get to from home or work, and go there at about the same time every day. Ideally pick a place you can walk right after work. It can be a street with shops, or a park. But it must be a place where people are about.

When you are on your walk, you nod to yourself and keep repeating under your breath “I’m going to look silly but i’m going to have fun.” Just do it.

Now comes the crucial part. When you walk past a woman, ANY woman, smile, look up at her and say “Hello.” That’s it. Just greet her. She does not have to say anything back. These are the simple steps to get you out of your head.

You have that goal. Now the next thing to look for is a woman, any woman, who is not walking. Do the same thing. Walk up and say “Hello.” Wait until she says “Hello” back, then when she does, introduce yourself. She will then tell you her name, and then you immediately tell her how you take a walk every day and have conversations with friendly-looking people because you’re quite shy, and are learning how to just enjoy small talk and getting to know people.

Do NOT run any routines or anything else. Just have a conversation about how you have trouble having conversations. I want you to be totally honest and sincere. And if she joins the conversation, that’s great. Keep talking. If she has something to do that prevents her from talking, that’s fine as well. Wish her a good day and move on.

In short:

When walking past people, smile and say “Hello” to one person. It does NOT matter if they say Hello back or even look up.
The first woman you see on your walk, stop and greet her with a smile and “Hello.” Then introduce yourself politely and ask her name. When she tells you her name, tell her you like to walk every day and have conversations with friendly-looking people because you are quite shy, and learning how to be social and enjoy small talk.
Once you say that, you are free to go. You do not need to say anything else. But you are also free to stay and talk.
No matter what else happens, make sure you walk for the full 30 minutes.
Get home and keep a checklist of the things you did. One check for walking for 30 minutes. One check for everyone you greeted with a hello. One check for every woman you stopped and chatted with.
When you see you have three checks, celebrate. Go to your favorite pub and watch the game with your buds. Order your favorite food. Give yourself a high-five. Whatever. But make sure you celebrate doing it.
Give me 30 days of this, and you will have a better life. I give you my word.
...Again, I wish I could give credit to whoever wrote this...it works great, and walking is a natural stress reliever!

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