I know that I was against the separate community before, but I am starting to come around to the idea... It is not fun coming back to the computer each morning and having to spend 1 hour sorting through all the posts from 1 night and have most of them be repeats...

I don't know how to judge who should or should not be in the new community, I just hope that those who have proven themselves on this forum will find themselves a part of it. I will leave the decision making in the hands of the forum elders (meth, romeo, magicj, xf, monkey, etc.)

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Why am I always left out of a listing of the Forum "elders?" Sheesh.

I'm not advocating a new community. I'm not saying "Meth! Romeo! You're with me. The rest of these losers can flounder in their ignorance!" I'm saying that for this concept to survive, everyone needs to find a tribe, a group of pick-up artists with whom they mesh. It's like the lair idea; get a group of guys together to talk game, live in close quarters, and focus on creating the best game SPAM possible. Only in this case, the lairs are based less on location and more on ideology and preferred methodology. I'm not saying you shouldn't post on the forums; I'm saying you should have a group of people with whom you share your best material, and keep that material within the group. I'm saying you need to break down your game to more than just A1 - S3 and learn WHY that method works. I'm saying you need to develop your own method, with feedback from a group of individuals who feel the same way as you about game. You. Not just me. Not just Methuselah or Romeo or XFman. Apollo, and Color and Sundayraver and everyone.

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Ooops, sorry Monkey, I should have put you on that list since you have been here a very long time also. Edited.

I get now what you are saying and, logically, it would be great. The only problem is, I could "group" with Sunday, Giacomo, and Chikito and share with them everything I have, but we all still look at the "elder" group when they post for ideas or routines. I guess the forums, on an informational attention level, work like a hierarchy. And like a hierarchy, there are always those at the top that the rest of the family tree listens to and the info from the top funnels down. I understand the need for oringinality and sharing every secret on the forum does not make it a secret anymore... I guess I am just hoping that those who have been here longest and have the most info will still share basic routines and ideas so that I can build my own style on top of it. The information that you all give provides a great base for creating inner game and my own material.

I might have interpreted you wrong, so if I did, slap and correct me.

Another thing, we are really focusing on the politics of the forum lately when the purpose of the forum is sarging. I guess some things need figured out before purposes can be further fulfilled.

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Sharing information with the masses or the 8,000 or so people that are on this board does not guarantee that the information will get out. I am sure most of the 8000 don't even use the board frequently such like on other internet boards.

Being a Pick-Up Artist is an art obviously. So not everyone will be able to do it without much practice or some might not even be able to do it at all. Because a part of your Outer Game has to do with your Inner Game. If you can't speak coherently or look down at your feet when your talking no matter what lines you use their never going to work. Girls dispise guys who can't even love themselves yet they want to get to know them. Especially HB8s or higher. Because a piece of your personality and yourself goes into every attempt you make at a girl. With the amount of people failing on a daily basis and never becoming an actualy pick up artist how many do you think there are in the world. Not even 10,000 in billions most likely. So the group that are actual PUA's is already limited.

I don't think their should be a fear of the dismantling of the PUA Legion. As long as their is a tight knit group of Master PUA's than the information will always be passed down to new devoted followers and the art will never die. Or even get too big to contain. I just don't think there are enough people in the world that can master the art correctly. And doing it correctly is not necessarily just using canned material to perfection. It's being inventive and original. Being able to sarge at any moment and being able to do it on a whim. To do it without preparation and do it instinctively.

Sorry that might have been totally off topic but I think I have a couple of good points in there.

I really hope this doesn't turn into a "I'm taking my ball and going home" idea. Where all the experienced PUAs go into different groups, shut the door, and leave the rest of us outside with just our books and podcasts to learn from. I'm pretty new to the site and the game, but like many others I'll always have questions. It's no different than being the new guy on the job. If the senior guys didn't help the new guy, how would he ever learn? No one is asking to hold our hand, just to be there when we need a hand.

didnt know you required so much validation monkey.....

in reality, i just wanted to write somethign here cause i am interested in this thread and want to follow it.........

If they leave, we would have to learn the same way Mystery did. Trial and error. Though it would be easier to learn from others.

But, I do not think that is the case. I don't think anyone is talking about "taking their ball and leaving". I think people are just talking about not responding to every single post and instead talking amongst themselves in a small group which will provide their support and sharing system as opposed to the 8000 of us on here.

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Well, I am sure they just get tired of answering AA questions and "Tell me some openers and some DHV's that I should use to get hb" Especially when the info is there already in the newbie section under "Newbie Questions" and "Everybody read this first!" If they were willing to look before just asking then it would be much less of a hassle I would assume. Then again, I showed up 3 days ago so I certainly don't know much of sh!t yet.

But I will, Oh yes.

I will.

I really liked this analogy.

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Has anyone else considered that the whole giving out of lines/routines thing needs to be curbed as well. I'm new (So I'd like to apologize to any of you guys who think I shouldn't be posting this), but even I can see that this sharing of lines thing is bringing the community down.
If someone has a theory question, that's fine. But let them think of the line/routine/whatever themselves. Tell 'em if they want examples to get out and read "The Game" or old forum posts. If you guys don't start making people work for it, the community is gonna be dragged down by leeches spouting other people's material.
For those who read "The Game", remember what happened when Project Hollywood went too far. A bunch of Mystery/Style clones overfished the waters in the surrounding areas. Girls got sick of hearing the same lines and the PUA was no longer the exception to the rule.
The community is growing. Just look at the ratio of views to replies on your average forum thread. Leeches are everywhere. If you don't make them work how will they learn? How can you make sure that they do their own homework and make their own answers to problems? By cutting off the source of canned routines. You guys have the power here. Use it.
I've started on study of psychology/ cold reading/philosophy since reading the game. I'll admit it's not much but it's a start.
I'll repeat one it more time:MAKE THEM WORK.
I guess this is my first proper post as such. I mean, I've fooled around a bit before with ideas and questions but nothing major. Please be gentle. lol