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Jurupa is right about it being a big balancing act between comfort and attraction, but still, on a site aimed at online dating, you HAVE to hit the attraction switch real fast as well, to even get a response going.

NOTE: Everything below has been field tested.

Ive been flirting at at least 200 girls in the last month on a site much like Hot or Not (Im picky, I only flirt the girls who are cute enough), with a varied amount of response... Looking thru my chat logs ive gotten about 50 conversations going, 40 of them being definite potentials but still only about 25 of those that actually went anywhere past the first few lines.

This is a compilation of the openers ive tried, and the various responses.

Things that don't work too well, if at all:

-Direct compliments on their looks, this one is one of the worst (there is an exception I will list it later). If they are obvious sex bombs, then they are fishing for compliments and you will get a "thanks." but thats it, otherwise girls are completely inundated with this crap, so dont go there.
-Being too CF. Its the internet, its famously impossible to properly convey emotions. Save the ultrasarcastic stuff for later in the comfort zone. You will just blow your first impression, and hard.
-Cheezy oneliners. I shouldnt even have to list this.. but what the hell. Sometimes you can get them to laugh tho, especially if they dont take you seriously. Not worth the risk. (I usually tried a few of these when drunk heh, for shits and giggles.)
-Direct AFC, like "I'm just a nice guy, looking for friends and a chat. What are you up to?" etc etc etc..
-Bragging about yourself, even if you do it subtly DHV style, you are just one a million guys trying this approach, and besides, she knows everybody on the net is full of shit. Save those DHV stories for a little further into the conversation.
-Setting up a FtM Qualification "you are beautiful, but what about your personality? What are three things that make you a beautiful person on the inside as well?" Etc etc, ive tried a ton of variations here, no response. Girls WILL NOT feel obligated to qualify to a total internet stranger in the opening, no matter how you set this up, which brings us to the last one..
-Negs Sorry, but you arent in the group, you cant convey any attraction by being there, to her you have ZERO value no matter what your profile says, and I have never gotten any other response than being totally ignored with this. Yes, I know how to neg properly. Save these for when you have some conversation going, something to back you up with, and something for her to fall back to.

Things that work, but its hit and miss:

-Situational comments based on her profile pic. She is skiing, or wearing funny clothes, or whatever... Girls forget whats in their pics, not to mention there are probably a ton of AFCs using this tactic already. Occasionally you will get a hit, but then there is a higher chance the conversation will die out relatively quickly unless you can really change the subject without her just ignoring it.. Still, I did get a few good chats going like this.

-Commenting on Her Smile and following it up with something like "I bet you are a fun person" or "I bet we would get along". I actually got a few hits like this, which surprised me, but at least half the time its a nogo or you just get "thanks, period" and then she ignores further attempts. This is the exception to direct compliments on her looks.

and finally...

Things that work pretty well, if not great!:

-Humorous or witty responses to her own profile text. This one is great, Ive gotten a ton of responses from it, and they have been conversations that have really gone on for several pages or more, and resulted in hookups. Read what she writes about herself, especially if there is a "tag-line paragraph" or whatever, and respond to it. Easy! Just dont make it too CF, and remember emoticons are your friends. In fact, I got the best response when I stuck to funny and left the Cocky out of it entirely.

-Correctly guessing something about her that she doesn't directly post in her profile. I live in Europe, so there is more mix, but as an American I can see this happening stateside, too. Maybe you can guess her nationality by her name if she didnt post it, or you cold read her personality and hit the nail on the head, or you can name something she really likes/is looking for.. Once again, lots of good chats started up like this. Just, easier said than done, of course.

-Crazy Opinion Openers About YOU. The internet was created so that people could take stupid quizzes and fill out innane and insane questionairres. How many of you have taken those retardedly simple IQ tests that put your IQ up with Einstein? If you thought Opinion Openers were good in the clubs, well they are the KINGS of the internet, but there is a catch...

Make sure it relates to you!!! Otherwise they ignore it or you just get a quick answer and very little to build a conversation with. I just used one about if they think it is gay for me to poledance, where I make sure as well to heavy DHV spike it (DHVing works in this case as it is so indirect), and as well I set my whole profile up to resonate with this question for when they check me out before they answer, as they invariably do, and the response has been overwhelming, far better than any other technique ive tried. Now you will get quantity here, so it is up to you to pick out the best responses and garner a few quality chats, but the point of openers after all is starting an interaction, so the more the merrier!


So now you've gotten a conversation started, hopefully. Keep it funny (all those silly sms games work like a charm here if you can get a live chat going) but remember to keep it comfortable too. Sexual jokes ar fine, but only on occasion. If you run a theme, she is going to get uncomfortable real fast. Its more important to talk a bit about yourself, open up, be honest and she will get a good vibe that you are a real person who isn't a)full of shit or b)a crazy psycho trying to lure her into a dirty brown van.

Good luck! =)
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hey i dont have long on here, but i saw you, had a brief look through your profile, i like your vibe! hope its not just the pictures but for real!

what are you up to? and dont tell me your sitting at home eating left over pizza while watching chick flicks *nudge*

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Daggaz: YES!!! OMG YES! lol (and yes, I just said "omg" lol)

I posted a blog once about how to send an opening e-mail to a girl on a dating site....you hit most of what I said....here is my wording, I suppose.


1-Read a girl's profile. Really, this will go a long way, eliminate innane questions that she has answered a million times and has answered on her profile as well.
--along with this, when asking questions, be creative. Some questions get asked again and again and we get tired of typing the same thing. Make us think! (example of a commonly overused question: What kind of music do you like?)

2-It is a turn OFF (and just plain creepy) when you start talking about your genitalia within the first few lines of conversation. Heck, it's pretty much a turn off when you start talking about your genitalia at all. If we really want to know about it that badly, we will ask or just find out the fun way.
--along the same lines, do not ask about our breast size, if we have a nice ass, or anything to do with our lady parts at all.

3-When sending a message, "hi" is ok, but you are much more likely to get a response (at least from me or people like me) if you start with a question (see bullet number 1).

4-You've heard it all your life, and it is so true. Confidence is key. Personally, I like a guy to be a bit cocky. Not to the point of arrogance, or pretentiousness, but just the right mix of confidence and humor. I will say it again. Key word: CONFIDENCE. You probably are a good guy. Know it, own it, and know that you'll knock her socks off if given half the chance.


In closing, I will give you all an example of one of the best opening e-mail I ever got.

(background info: On my profile, one of my descriptor words is "SMRT")

Subject: I am so Smrt...
Body: I am so smrt...s-m-r-t.....doh! Am I the first one to recognize that your SMRT descriptive word is from the Simpsons? Or do you get that all the time? e-mail me back if you have a chance.



It was short, sweet, showed me a little of his personality, and showed me that he actually looked at what my profile said rather than just the picture. **Side note: he was the first one to mention that.**

So, yeah, You hit the nail on the head.

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Hey thanks for the positive response, hun =) I was damn sure I was right already, now Im ...even more damned sure? =P Theres gotta be a better description for that, but its late!

Hey are you on zoosk? I chatted a girl who had the SMRT thing in her tagline... but then, she wrote out it was her fav simpsons quote, so I responded with my fav family guy quote "Its NU-CU-LAR, dummy. The "s" is silent..." HOly shit Peter Griffon cracks me up every time! =)

PS about the cocky funny thing. I live in denmark, people are a lot more reserved here, so maybe thats why it hasnt worked as well for me(check my online scientific PU test thread).


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I just sent this to a girl on FB. She has a pic kissing her dog on the profile.

hey, how are you? I see you love dogs, so you could help me with something. I want to give my little nephew a pet as a surprise for her b-day but im not sure if a cat or a dog. Im asking around, so what do you like about dogs?


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well... good luck I guess... Its hit and miss on the situational opener, and its an opinion opener but its only vaguely about you, more about somebody you know, and at that its kind of a limited conversation. As well, honestly? Cats vs dogs is so oldschool, it sounds like a line, and she must be thinking, what in the hell does he honestly need my opinion about this for? Not to mention its zero for ten on funny..

But one thing my spamming the internet has shown me, is that there is a certain amount of randomness to the results, so who knows, you may just well get a hit here.


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I think sarging online can take too much time for girls that are not always top notch, and their pictures can be deceiving! I have done it before and I could definitely tell you I got laid plenty of times...but it took so much time building relationships online and the computer consumed my life....but maybe it was just me...

I think it would be funny to use age/sex/location? old school questioning haha

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Well, i didnt find the What are you doing comment. So best i could come up with. What would you suggest?


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In my opinion I think online sarging is the hardest... I've used lots of openers and some of them worked and some of them didnt... For example the Your gorgeous but do you have a good personality to go woith those good looks... Hasnt worked for me once (even though I messaged like 5 girls saying that)... Never open with an opener such as hey your cute whats up... This sounds boring and shes probably heard that a million times... Girls dont like boring guys who ask the same questions over and over... In her head shes thinking not this again and most of the time she doesnt even reply... An opener im waiting to try out is the advice one... it goes like this... " You look like an interisting and adventourous girl... I need some advice on something" havent tried it out yet but I will soon... Try it out and tell me your sucess!


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I think it would be funny to use age/sex/location? old school questioning haha
It might be funny to use this, but it wouldn't work! lol If I get someone even on IM ask me "a/s/l?" I press ignore without another word. Plus, if you are on a dating site, that info is in her profile.

So, i'm going to stress something I put in my last post because it has been happening a lot to me lately....READ a girl's profile!

In my profile on a dating site that I am on, I have listed 3 times that I am into photography and do it professionally. I have had a few people in the last couple of days e-mail or IM me saying "I was looking at your profile, and your pictures are great! Are you in the modeling or photography industry?" or even "What do you do for a living?" In reply, I say something along the lines of "Obviously you didn't read my profile very closely...do that, and get back to me." they usually feel dumb after that....and everything goes downhill. *sigh*

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This is another approach that I have used. I can't really say I took online dating too seriously and I was on some crazy sites, but I would use the shot-gun method and message a minimum of a million girls that i though were just attractive enough, because i know the response rate is always going to be limited. Attractive girls on those sites will get get thousands of responses, so I just say off the wall shit:

-what is your favorite color?
-wow, you room is a complete mess in your pic...what the hell happened?
-Damn I'm tired
-I bet you hardly get any guys messaging you with you're hair like that...


I think you get the idea, i have noticed they will respond to random stuff rather than things that might make sense in our own heads....it is a lot different than sarging in the real world.

I have had some really good crazy stories from meeting girls online, and also some terrible waste of time, and messed up stories so be ready to meet all kinds of weirdos hahaha.

and in your personal profile i noticed that instead of explaining all of your great qualities in the "about me" section...write something more mysterious ..."it's quite the long story" something like that. and of course you need a good pictures, if you don't have a good one, do something a little out of the ordinary, maybe throw on a cowboy hat or some shit like that, girls responded well to that...

i'd be interested in hearing if you have the same results...but give that a try for a day and see how many responses you get!

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#1 Online Pickup Line : A/S/L ?

rofl just kidding :)

I usually just start with faking a humorous ''situation'' which I desperately need her advice on to resolve. It usually gets the girl instantly compelled to stay on with you to know the outcome...and in the meantime you can turn the conversation around over to something else...more intimate ;)

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"Are you shy or something? Because I've been standing here for around 30 minutes and you still haven't said Hi to me."


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"Are you shy or something? Because I've been standing here for around 30 minutes and you still haven't said Hi to me."
I tried that, reply was "What does it have to do with being shy?"


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The Tom thing had me rolling.. I like the list of things to do or not do... I haven't had as much success of late online.. I finally ran out of things to use. I even had to retire a line I was loving to use.. Aww I love them Chubbie Cheeks... Lol.. I got so many responses but I got tired of sounding so cheesy complimenting them to calm them down ... Online game is easy if you just let it come to you but for me it has been hard.. I walked away from PUA and used up all my openers and what not.. We focus to hard on the stupid stuff and not the big picture, being just like every other guy who she talks to in a day.. Its funny how the game works. If you aint carefull you will go from afc to level 1 pua and look like you are going somewhere to a AFC once again... I let feer get to me and it shook my frame to nothing... I am back though... Enough is enough.. Be a Man not a Wuss! Thats my new motto....


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