hey, im new to the forum, however ive been a recovering afc for a couple months now (progressing very slow unforuntatly). Ive known this girl since middle school hb8.5. i used to be a huge loser up until about two years ago, ive changed everything around know and things are going quite well. i got her number a couple weeks ago during an afterschool club. a couple weeks ago we started talking alot and texting. friday, saturday, and sunday night that first weekend we were texting each toerh from about 8pm-3am and than i eased off for two weeks, and got interested again. i dont see her in person very often mayyybe once a week, and when i do, i always forget to look out for IOI's but she alwayssssss laughs at my jokes and comes initaites conversations with me, however no kino from her end... but like from what i do recall (not specifics IOI's though) shes really into me. So i text her over the weekend...(btw, my phone deleted the texts for some reason so im just retyping from memory)


me:Everytime I see u, I smile. When u walk, I laugh. When u speak, I get excited. For some reason, retarded people amuse the hell out of me!"
her: THATS NOT FUNNYYYYYY!!!
me: well than i want a divorce. you clearly lack a sense of humour and are a horrible cuddler, you take all the sheets! and i cannot be with someone who doesnt have a sense of humour and steals the sheets
her: wtf [myname], i am an amazinggggggggg cuddler(as a side note: when we were texting a few weekends back, we were talking about how cuddling and she invited me to cuddle with her and two of her friends)...and i do not steal the sheets, so no divorce granted =]
me: how can u expect me to function after 4-5 "sessions" a night, and than sleeping without sheets. tonight theyll be a pillow and some sheets on the couch with your name on it.(sent around 6pm)
her: (responds at about 1230 at night) I KICKED YOU OFF the bed and onto the couch w pillow and comforters that have your name all over them =)
...iforgot the rest of the convo
than on a fb picture of a clay model of a penis shes tags me as the penis....this is what says

me: “i really do appreciate being tagged as a penis..says alot about where ur mind is when you think about me. ”
her: “sorry [myname], thats what i was thinking about when I KICKED YOU OFF the bed and onto the couch w pillow and comforters that have your name all over them =) “
me:”interesting thing to think about while your in MY BED!”
her:”nooo my bed.. i kicked you off!”


than two days ago I text her (my phone only kept her incoming texts in this convo)

me: tonight. Bed is mine.
Her: Boooooooo bed is MINE, not to be selfish or anything =)
me: (I dont recall what I said in this message, but along the lines of the bed being mine)
her: Your just jealou bc I have massive amounts of pot in my pillow(mind you, she knows I dont smoke), something your couch pillow doesnt offer
me:my pillows is wayyyyyyy better, and obviously hold 5x more than yours does!
Her:i might let you sleep in the bed tonight, not sure depends on how kind im feeling. And your pillow doesnt have 5x as much as pot as mine, you wishhhh!
Me: I tihnk your mistaken, it seems to me like your the one wearing the pants in this relationship. NO IT DOESNT, MY PILLOW IS WAYY BETTER!
Her:hahahahah im earing shorts not pants. But its a democracy you tyrant. No one person wears the pants. And ask anyone [hername]=most pot ahahahaha ps watching law and order soooo good today
Me: im going to sleep, night & sweet dreams (btw, ive come to terms with all your wet ones being about me)
her: hahaha you wishhhhh

1-based on the convos can u confirm that shes into me?
2-she told me she hates being in a relationship(at this time she had a bf who she didnt like, who liked her alot) despite always being in one...my ulitimate goal is a relationship as i really like her, any tips?
3-how can i turn the sleeping together joke into us actually "sleeping" together( i know shes not a virgin, nd ive been told shes a freak in bed for lack of better terms)
4-in general how can i transition a text convo in one on the phone?

Every single one of those messages is an IOI, fucking run with it and don't stop.

As for the relationship deal - I think she wants you, but doesn't quite know what she'll get. Set up a time for you two to hang out and I guarantee you'll find a way to make fighting over the sheets happen, probably with the 5-6 sessions a night too


BTW: Jack the pot in the middle of the night and send it to me

thanks, thats amazing news haha...i was under the impression that its not what she says, but how she says it, and since i hadnt payed attn for IOI's in person i could have been wrong.

any suggestions for c+f way to ask her to hang out?

also whats a good method to turn a text convo into a phone call, i was thinking alogn the lines of "im going to tell you the best bedtime story you've ever heard tonight, but your going to have to call me first"

Well, it seems like you got her really interested in you, based on the way she's been responding in the texts. I mean, the way you described it, you made it sound like you guys didn't really talk before and you just knew her. So....if THAT'S how the convo is now.....she's definitely into you and I'm SURE she's throwing you some major IOI's when you see her in person.

I think at this point, she's just waiting to hang out with you, so throwing a basic "i'm gonna be hanging out at _______ with some friends, you can come hang out.....if you're cool enough " would be good enough. I feel like there are very few ways for you to go wrong at this point, so just do the tried and true method of asking her to come hang out with you at some place you're gonna be going to anyways....having fun with or without her. She's gonna want to come.

As for turning the texts into a phone call, you could try the thing you said. That would probably work well. Or you can go with the theme of your convo and tease her about the sheets thing or cuddling thing. When she answers just be like "yeah, so i've taken back the bed and the sheets. No more cuddling for you! I'm gonna have to talk to you about working out the divorce" or anything you wanna say that can lead right from the text convo.

Don't worry man, you're doin fine.

Yeah you are doing fine, but you need to escalate here or she will lose interest or put you inthe best friends zone.

The above advice was great for getting her out. DONT ask her on a "date", just give her opportunities to come hang out with you. When she does, and she will, this is very important...

START KINOING!!!

I mean, right off the bat. Give her a hug when you see her, kiss her cheek/ear. When you hug her, take her hand and squeeze it. If she squeezes back, and she will, you are free to hold hands with her anytime. But dont be clingy... remember to play cat and mouse... take her hand and drop it, she will want it back in yours.. Grab her from behind on the waist and squeeze a little, make a joke. Test her tickle reflexes. I mean it, whatever, anything, just do it or you will lose a girl like this.

My bet is you will be kissing on the first day you start hanging out if you play it right. Just be yourself, be happy, be fun, keep her laughing, you are doing fine.

koolsidez-yeah thats pretty much how it was, shes been in my grade for years i just never really interacted with her before, as i said i used to be a huge loser(with alot of help due to the material ive read on starting out as a PUA ive changed that around, this material just helps in every aspect of life, thanks guys)...before i read all the responses to the thread i sent her a text message during 8th period asking her what she was doing that night, she never responded although she did make it a point to grab my attention by calling out my name in the hallway after 9th period (im guessing at that point she hadnt seen the text message because if she wanted to ignore me and aviod the question, she wouldnt have specifically gotten my attention in the hallway at that point). im gonna text her tomorrow and try out one of those lines. thanks

Daggaz- ill defintly be sure to kino when we hang out but when i go into hug her and im leaning out of the hug, u mean to just like grab her hand as it slips off my back and just hold on to it, or just like put my hand over hers?

about hanging out in general- im having a little gathering for the superbowl at my house. about 15 16 guys are invited to watch the game in my theater (130 inch screen, always great for games) should i invite her and a couple of her friends too?


we have midterms all next week so that gives us alot of time to talk before and after the actual tests while we wait to get into the testing rooms, my game plan is to just walk up to her from the side and start talking to her, i want to draw her away from her little social circle that shell be standing in (its HS, everyone does that) so i was thinking ill just slowly inch away and if shes into me she'll follow or should i formulate a new game plan

I dont go out at all once a month to a sports bar to watch the fights but thats it. What should someone like me ( who doesnt have a life or friends) ask a woman to do if i want to hang out with her, also should I pay her way too?

there is actually another thread on this same mid-game forum about where to take dates so look into that...


but yeah back to my situation...turns out she hooked up with some kid whos a grade younger than us at a party last weekend, i just saw some pictures...and am kind of upset right now considering i really liked her...but at the same time its also having a type of recipricating affect on me that inspiring me to go out and try to "plant more seeds"... b.c. she hooked up with the other kid idk bout all these IOI's anymore, im very very confused...someone please help me clear my train of thought! im kinda crushed right now(i guess i had oneitis and didnt even know)

dude cmon really! are u looking for a serious relationship right now?why should u care if she hooked up w/ another guy? hook up w/ some chick and then finish the sarge. I think ur either in the friend zone(which can still get u laid, ive had friends w/ benies before)or shes attracted to u but still doesnt want a relationship. Your both young have fun! theres no need to be shackled down yet BTW you need to escalate this and its really easy to do just meet her and start a new thread of convo, this old one will get old very soon and ull stay in the same level of comfort and never move to seduction

dude,
Paladin