I'd like to tell a story of pick up that happened to me nearly ten years ago. In high school I had no knowledge of the community and really no idea of what to do with women. I was 15, horny, inexperienced, and worst of all shy. I was working 35 hours a week at a fast food resturant trying to pay off my lexus. Keep in mind I was basically a social retard at this point in my life. I had this manager (Todd) he was a smart ass and flirted well with women (very C&F). One day he confronted me and made some smart ass remarks so I dissed him back. All crew members looked at us at the time because I was usually so quiet. I started to get to know the guy and build rapport with him and the other managers. I soon got promoted to supervisor. I had an epiphany when I took a leadership position at the store: "I really don't like doing what others tell me to do, I'm much better at telling others what to do." I was taking a lunch in back room one day when one of the girls I had been flirting with (C&F) and really being an asshole to came back and sat on my lap. She was a 7.5. I started dating her and of course came down with oneitis. Somewhere around the middle of our relationship she made the comment: "At first I really didn't want to be with you because of our age gap. At work, one of the things that really attracted me was everyone there always wanted to follow you. They act like you and sometimes even mimick you." I didn't say anything, I really didn't know what to say. The point I'm trying to make is now that I'm in the community and have a much deeper understanding of social behavior and human psychology I realized women get wet for tribal leaders and it is the best DHV money can't buy. I was some supervisor chode at a fast food place, DHV'd, built rapport, established social proof without anything. These skills are hard wired in us men just like women's reproduction defense mechanisms.

I would like to close with a theory of mine that I thought of after watching DeAngelo's 'Mastery with Women.' He talked about how mothers teach their sons to be nice to women and basically give them what they want and do what will set you up for failure with women. I know this sounds crazy but, I believe that mothers who have sons are hard wired to teach them these things so we, as becoming men are forced to develop real ways to attract women. Our mothers are testing us and if we fail with women our whole lives then we have failed as men and for nature's sake it was better that our seed wasn't spread. Our mothers don't want their sons to reproduce if we're too weak to effectively crack the code and attract women on our own. This is what I believe is nature's ultimate test. I look forward to everyone's feedback.

Yeah I really see what you mean. It reminds me of the birds. They just let 'em drop. Not because they don't care, but rather precisely because they DO! It's fly or die. If you fly you will be stronger for it and if you don't then your egg was a waste of time. I get it.

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DUDE!, give me a hit of that. nah really its actually an eye opener. never thought of it that way. good shit

LOL put that way it really explains alot, especially for me and maybe others who were raised without a father (mine was too busy being an asshole).

I knew in away about it but having another perspective on the issue really does help.
Gotta go away and meditate on this as I have seemed to have got to a sticking point, lotsa info and ideas but something was blocking the development. THis may be the catalyst, thanks gotta copy and paste it to my wall.
J1f

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Perhaps I had better put, that without the father figure input to balance the early learning about our place in life it can get distorted and we end up dysfunctional as men before we have even grown a pair. This was touched on by another post that our fathers show us how to be men.
These early life educations are intuative and basic, they are there when our parents give us the toy truck or the doll to play with.

Wow, this is an eye opener, I used to be considered a "mother's child". Now, I feel bad about it!

Hey i kinda get what your saying about the mother wanting their child to crack the code insted of just spoon feeding it to them. I also commend you that you were able to rise up to such an occasion. I'll use this as a future lesson and motivator one day thanks man.

survival of the fitest..

women are emotional creatures, Mothers raise there children through those emotions, where as the father raises there children through logical means.

the combination of logic and emotions develop a strong and capable person...too much of one or the other and it becomes more of a handicap.

I believe if you where raised by either a mother or just a father you where introduced to either too much emotions or too much logic. If raised without any real parents you had to figure out both aspects.

Mothers tend to live through there children, we as a society have an idea that the child is a reflection of a parents ability to be a parent. Mothers tend to instill in the boys, what they believe...key words, "they believe" would make a well behaved man in the future. They instill qualities that they fantasize in men into there children in hopes other women will fantasize about them.

Not realizing that attraction is not a choice...

im waiting for a woman to break the cycle...

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cool keep it coming!

Thanks for the feedback guys. My intent was to start a discussion and field other pua's idea's and belief systems. I just want to say that I appreciate all whom have chimed in. All I have to say is that when you guys are ever in doubt, please believe that your 40,000 year old instincts will surface and you will be successful with your mate.

As David D says:
While you are gaming on any HB, brag on how much you love your mother and how awesome your relationship with her is. No matter what your mother is still your first initial test.