Not to long ago I found out my parents are getting divorced because my mom is leaving my dad. I started to think about all the married couples I know who got divorced and in every case the woman has left the man. I have come to the conclusion that marriage and relationships are all felmale dominated situations where they have control and the man is just a tool to be used so the woman can live all her childhood fantasies. When reality does not live up to fantasy the men get the shaft. When I look at marriage and relationships I really don't see the benefits for a man.

PU seems to be the male form of relationship where we gain the things that benefit us. With PU men are the prize and women get to chase us and have more fun doing it then when we chase them.

I would like people's opinions on this as I may be just really pissed at my parents divorce and not thinking things clearly.

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I'm real sorry to hear that man.

Personally, I think marriage is an entirely different ball-game. I think PU can give you the tools to be more confident and be more powerful in the relationship, but PU is just about pick-up. It teaches how to show your personality to a woman in the first few days and turn on her switches so you can win her over. I don't know if it can be applied to serious long-term relationships.

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My mom and dad have been happily married for seventeen years (they got married long after I was born), and they seem to share power fairly and equivocally. I don't think broad generalizations about any group of people are ever accurate.

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I just want to make it clear that this is not ment as an attack on the character of women nor is it a blanket statement that all marriages fail. It is just an observation that the way a lot of men enter long term relationships and marriages seems to be in a passive role. Why does the PU attitude of confidence, funny, push-pull, seem to go out the window? A friend of mine has a great marriage using PU attitude to keep it fresh and exciting.

I will retract my comment about women getting married to live their fantasy life (said abit in anger), maybe the issue is they are attracted to a man and then we change over time becoming to comfortable and lose the spark that she was attracted to in the firstplace? I'm just thinking that we need to keep a hold on the stuff we learn while single and just tweek it a bit for longer relationships.

This is the best way to say it, it's a loss of frame on the guys part and we live in the women's the longer we are in a relationship with them.

Is PU really only for attracting or can it be used long-term?

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My dad left my mum about ten years ago after many years of what I think they both thought was happily married bliss.
I do not think that marriage is dominated by any particular gender. Just by the more dominant personality. I also believe that for marriage to work well you cannot have a person who has a more dominant personality and attitude than the other.
If a woman is outgoing and domineering and marries a submissive man, the woman is sure to get bored eventually. Despite Mr. Submissive buying her everything she ever wanted and staying up late to make sure she gets home ok after a night with the girls. Woman sleeps with other more sexy alphas because hubby is boring!
Alpha male man marries passive woman. Alpha male feels all dominant and happy all the time because he is in control. Woman builds a little resentment to her husband always being in control and fades a little inside her shell. Man sleeps around because he is ALPHA!

Perhaps it is the fact my parents marriage didn't work out, but I do not have high opinions of marriage. I think it is a bit of a waste of time for both individuals and a mutual restriction. Of course there are exceptions, but they are a minority.
Divorce rates here in Australia are 40% of all marriages. Don't have to be a social analyst to see what that says about monogamous bliss...

OH OH!
And I am going to add an analogy for you homeboys.
Scrubs.
Yes that fabulous TV show centred around Dr John Dorian.
Look at the couples in that. Perfect example of people in relationships at similar domination levels. May not be real. But it works.

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