All my life I've creeped the hell out of girls, I exude creepiness, and when I get drunk, its like amplfied, its just do to the fact that I've always been so emotionly paralized by women, I don't know where to begin, the first thing to say, and when to stop saying it.

and I'm not new to the forum I just went through and email/name change, hope thats ok

Are you creepy? And if so, why?

I don't know, maybe its the way I approach, maybe its the way I introduce, I can't quite get a handle on it.

If you convince yourself that you're creepy, you'll convince girls your creepy before you ever talk to them.

I need you to listen to me. The past is the past. Your failures are over and done with. That chapter of your life is finished. Now it's time to start anew. What you do from this step forward is to approach, and do so quickly, before you're lingering (looking creepy). Make conversation with ANYBODY, not just girls. Get used to approaching and talking to complete strangers and I promise you that you'll lose that bad vibe of yours.

The first thing I started telling people after I said 'Hi' would be to talk about a cool car parked outside, an item nearby in the store I liked, even the freaking weather... you can ALWAYS talk about the weather and people will generally view that as friendly stranger-to-stranger chit chat.

Then start talking about slightly deeper things. See if how long you can prolong a conversation. Keep in mind that people are busy, and may not have time. That's OKAY. Just keep talking to people.

When you're somewhat comfortable with that, start approaching girls. And for love's sake, remember the 3 second rule!

Creepy = When your external actions are incongruent with your internal desires.

Example:
When an AFC buys a girl a gift just because he's "being nice" when he's obviously just trying to buy his way into her pants.

Another example:
When an AFC tries to do things a confident man would do when he's not actually confident on the inside and it shows through tons and tons of subtle cues that a woman's advanced emotional circuitry subconsciously picks up on.

I recommend checking out Vin DiCarlo's 4 Elements of Personality model for natural game in his ebook "The Attraction Code."

Echo x 100. Or the other way around.

I was thinking about this the other day, because most of my #closes I am usually too lazy to follow up on, and a lot of them I call (I generally don't text) and if they don't answer I leave it at that.

When I see these girls afterwards they sometimes think I'm a weirdo, when the #close what tight. It's because I haven't escalated when I should by following her up on her #, so my external actions (getting her #, seeming interested in her) don't match with my internal desires (not giving a fuck).

Another example is after sleeping with a girl. Unless you've made it clear that you're only looking for a casual relationship, if you fuck off after the lay and don't maintain contact oftentimes she'll think you're a 'creep' in girl language. (Although normally it's just 'bastard' because she has to rationalise that she slept with you, and she apparantly didn't know you were a bastard at the time but she could not have slept with a creep, could she.)

Story of my life, man. Or, at least a good hugeass chunk of my years in the seduction community!

Now I don't number-close nearly as much as I used to for that very reason.

Yeah, second that. I think it was when I read gunwitch all that time back that I realised I wan't a closer, I mostly did #closes and played the numbers game until I got the lay. That = long.

Since then I only do #closes if logistics are really bad (usually in daygame), or after the f-close.

Dude u almost got me hypnotized there! That's a general way of positive thinking that I try to do in every aspect of my life. What u have done in the past is irrelevant, what you do now however shapes the future. And a famous quote of T.Edison: "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."

if you think your still acting creepy make note of the creepy things you think your doing. try taking more notice of yourself doing these things and stop also watch and imitate guys you see at the club the way they walk talk and act.girls dont think there creepy if you do what they do you shouldn't have a problem .....be aware of yourself at all times and...........fake it till ya make it !!

Better yet, have a friend go with you so you can have someone watching you and see what you're doing that's coming off creepy.