So here goes the worst sarge I ever did, but one of the best night i ever had:

It's friday night so i went to a club with a couple of friends and first off i decided to work on my PU skills and practice a bit.

I used the opener i liked the most "Drug Dealer"

Reef: "Hey I need to get your opinion on something..."
Girls: "No. Not really.."
Reef: "I'm asking because two girls approched me couple of minutes ago asking if..." (you guys know the routine)
Girls: (Nodding and shit *very uninterested*)

-Any way i couldn't followup because i couldn't really catch neithr thier attention nor interest.. So i just said goodbye and left and i actually tried that a couple of times always leading to the same results pretty much at the same point

after that a friend introduced me to this girl "How I met your mother" type like "Have you met Reef?"
and when she aproched it actually started to work out so i know i can do the followup's but opening a set is a major problem for me rather than opening a 1 set wich is truly rare to be found.
After a few unsuccessful shots I just went for it and aproched them singly picked while telling the girl a simple:
"Youre a Cutie, What's your name" - wich worked in a couple of cases just fine.

What's up with that? where does the game take place and why dosn't it work???

After that i just gave up and started having fun with my friends doing dar emissions and stuff like that working on my non drunken confidence wich grew a lot bigger!

To sum it up i had a great night but a rather unsuccessful one althight i got a KC with the girl the friend introduced me to.

any points on how to improve my opener? I'm sure you got many, but i am also looking for opener followup tips. cheers guys

Here is what happend with the HB7.5 i Kclosed and Nclosed.

as we were dancing a drunk friend of mine went up to these two chicks HB7.5 and a HB8, he wanted to pick them up in his own AFC kinda cute way.
he said to them:
AFC 'Lucky' friend: "hey what do you guys think about this guy? Isn't he handsome?"
Babes: "yeah he is cute"
AFC 'Lucky' friend: (To his targets friend, the one he was trying to hook me up with so he can be with her friend) "So here go talk to him" (All pushing her and shit)

So while he and her friend where talking i introduced myself

Reef: "so what's your name?"
HB7: "Billy (her actual name was Billy)"
Reef: "where are you guys from?"...'
....
~~~Fluffing~~~
After fluffing for a bit

Reef: "Me and my firend there were having this dare game, you wanna join us?"
HB7: "Sure.."
Reef: "So you have to go to that chick, squeese her ass and say: oops i thought you were a guy"
HB7: "so what do YOU have to do?"
Reef: "I'll open that set over there asking them to watch my new Michael Jackson moves"

*Well she was really cute and fun so she did it and so did I and then we went to a sort of corner to talk.
The thing was it wasn't a lie or something we were actually playing dare games through out the party.

so i DHV'd he a bit calling her out for flirting and when she said she didn't i showed her how wer body language said otherwise,
after that i used the style routine
Reef: "Do you want to kiss me"
HB7: "maybe"

and after a short kiss i NC'd and went back to my friends.
So that's about it I had a nice night but as I said a very unsuccessful one indeed,

I NEED OPENERS, GOOD ONES A-S-A-P

I would avoid opinion openers entirely, the lines "can I get your opinion on something?" and "me and my friend were having an argument about ...", pretty much equate to "I have watched the pickup artist on VH1, learnt a few lines and want to hit on you". In short opinion openers unless phrased well and pulled off with immaculate frame will get you busted.

Instead I would opt for situational observations, "This DJ sucks", "oooh cool watch" anything like that, one of my favorites ever was "oh shit I didn't realize it was asshole hour" after some drunk jock tried hitting on the girl got blown out then stormed off.

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great advice man, although i think it is very AFC and no style to it.
I really liked the Asshole hour time but i can't really imply it in hebrew..
any other suggestions?

just make observations and comment on them, a classic is something like "I swear that guy is old enough to be her dad" when you see a girl being hit on by an older guy

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Try these. Downloaded from this site. Memorize and internalize them so they just come naturally. I deleted the corny ones. Avoid ANYTHING that has to do with praising her looks, body, or gives her Higher Value than yourself. These are the best of 89 lines. I have made some alterations and left some notes on ones that are incomplete. They need more meat as in DHV spikes & / or routines designed around them in case they do work.

Be unique and different, just say yes.
Besides this one, what’s the worst pickup line you’ve ever heard?
Can I buy you a drink or do you just want the money?
Can I take a picture of you, so I can show Santa just what I want for Christmas?
Did you invite all of these people? I thought it was just going to be the two of us.
Do you believe in love at first sight, or should I walk by again?
Do you have any raisins? No? How about a date? (If yes need a response.)
Do you know me from somewhere?
Do you want to see a picture of a beautiful person? (Hold up a mirror or phone image of yourself.)
Do you want to see something swell? (This leads to the spell gambit after a mild neg about this line.).
Excuse me, but it’s time we met. (Simple. Efficient. Goes directly to DHV spike.)
Excuse me, I just noticed you noticing me and I just wanted to give you notice that I noticed you too.
Excuse me. I’m writing a term paper on the finer things in life, and I was wondering if I could interview you. (Needs work but has potential.)?
Hello, I’m a thief, and I’m here to steal your heart.
Hello, I’m doing a survey of what people think are the cheesiest pickup lines. So, do you choose “Do you come here often?”, “What’s your sign?”, or ‘”Hello, I’m doing a survey of what people think are the cheesiest pickup lines”?
Hi, I just wanted to give you the satisfaction of turning me down. So, go ahead say no. *(I love this one its an operner/neg all at the same time and it's genuinely funny.)
Hi, my name is (your name). How am I doing so far? (Simple. effective.)
I bet my friends that you’d talk to me. So, can I buy you a drink with the money I’m about to win?
I can sense that you’re a terrific lover, and it intimidates me a little.
I don’t like playing games and I hate pick up lines, so I’m just going to ask. Do you like sex?
I hate short love affairs. I have all weekend.
I have had a really bad day and it always makes me feel better to see a pretty girl smile. So, would you smile for me?
I hope your day is/was as radiant as your smile. (Depends on if its day (is) or night (was)).
I hope you're as beautiful on the inside as you are on the outside.
I seemed to have lost my phone number. Can I have yours? (Only use as a joke. A PUA NEVER asks for a number.)
I suffer from amnesia. Do I come here often? (Careful this can get you busted at your regular spot.)
If I were to ask you out on a date, would your answer be the same as the answer to this question? (This is very clever. It makes here think.)
I’m invisible. Can you see me? (Yes) Great! How about tomorrow night? .
My friend over there wants to know if you think I’m cute. (I like this one.)
My name isn’t Elmo, but you can tickle me any time you want to
There is something wrong with my cell phone. It doesn’t have your number in it. (Borderline. Needs a routine.).
You look a lot like my next girlfriend.
You’re so fine you make me stutter, wha-wha-what’s your name?

Some routines from this site. (Not mine. Can't remember who's.)
Routine #1
(Open set with: Are you shy?)

PUA: I think it's great you are so friendly it's so hard to make friends these days. Remember when we were young? It was so easy to make friends you could walk up to people and just say Would you like to be my friend? And they would tell you yes or no or whatever you know?

HB: Yeah (laughs smiles whatever)
PUA: Ya know what? I like making memories let's make one right now (get out camera) (put are around girl) (snap picture)
Now you have to look at the picture and make a face of disapproval
HB: Let me see!!!!!!!
PUA: (show her picture)
HB: Thats cute! (or whatever she says)
PUA: I don't like it we can do SO much better here.....(wrap arm around girl again) (you can repeat this process as much as you want) (make different poses and faces)

Also normally when I take the picture I just tell them to go ahead and kiss me on the cheek it hasn't failed yet they will always kiss you on the cheek and depending on the amount of comfort you have with her you can "clint eastwood" her as I have heard it called where you turn your head right before she kisses your cheek BUT IT IS UP TO YOU to decide if you are at the level you can do that I have used this MANY MANY times over the last couple of weekends and it builds comfort and kino quickly

Also you can get real kisses doing this just by saying thats not sexy enough we can do better ( I have done it enough to know )

Routine #2
Since we all have inner Game up through the roof, why shouldn't we let people know, right off the bat?
So, when people ask for your name, you simply say that you are what ever you feel like you are.

Example, since I feel awesome, I feel I'm the best, (sometimes I feel like SPAM!) and I am handsome - I introduce myself as these things!

"Hi, I'm Awesome. "
"Hi, I'm the Best"
"Hi, I'm SPAM. I can't seem to find my tights anywhere!"
"Hi, I'm Handsome" <-- That's pretty funny. They usually reply with,"Oh, hello Handsome!"
"Hi, I'm Fun"

You can fill in whatever you like here - just make sure it is positive!

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I might be over-thinking here, but if you use positive words, like "the Best" and "Awesome", I think it might actually work as NLP - For some reason, people tend to dig me right off the bat when I say this! When I say I'm awesome, people think I'm awesome. Go figure

Also, you are forcing IOI's with this routine - because when they ask for your name, you don't give it to them. Usually, they will ask for your name again, or laugh. Or both. This routine is an IOI-creator!
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Oh, and for those who might ask: Yeah, it's been field tested. Probably some 100 times.

Use it.


- Crüe

Routine #3
When you've entered the set and it is time to get introduced to each other, you shake hands like you normally would with each of the people in the group: Now, here is the thing: You say a different name to each of the people you handshake.

Example:
Hb1: Hi, I'm Stacy
You: I'm Brad, nice to meet you
Hb2: I'm Mary
You: I'm Fred, how are you?
Hb3: I'm Sofie, how are you?
You: Hello Sofie, I'm Steven
Hb4: Are you telling different names to all of us?!

Sooner or later, they'll realize what you're doing.
If they do not notice this right away, simply say, "Now, how many of you still remember my name?"

I prefer telling my actual name to one of the girls. That way I can make them guess which name was my actual name. (I usually do that the 2nd time, since I never know how soon they'll discover my evil little game).

Once they guess correct, you can reward the winner by giving her a "gold-star" or a hug. If your target guesses correct, you can playfully say something along the lines of "How'd you know? Have you been stalking me?!"

What I like about this game is that once they've guessed your actual name, I've discovered that they are more likely to remember it.

WARNING: Often times they'll test you by making you repeat their names. I fail that test all the f***ing time

Have fun with this, I do

Live to win,
-Crüe

Try these and remember internalization is the key so everything just feels natural.

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Nashon that was exactly what i was looking for thanks man and hopefully it will improve my game
Cheers

I just LOVED the 3rd routine

about the one liners,

"You look a lot like my next girlfriend"

wasn't that the pickup line that WBAFC used in the film Hitch?

I would't even try that one, as well as a couple more there..

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lol you deleted the corny ones??

No offense but a lot of the starter lines were just that, cheezy one liners. "Do you have raisens? No? How about a date?" Omg pleeeeese. At least you will get her to laugh at you, but then again, she is laughing AT you.

That said, some of them were kinda funny or clever and not exactly common, (pick down on the lower list) I think with the right delivery you could get her talking to you. Still, that is all copy/pasted right off the forums as you said, and doesnt really address the OP's specific problems.

To the OP: First, and this is maybe just my opinion, but I would drop the drug dealer routine. I find that you can get a very wide variety of reactions from it, depending on the girl, and that is what you really dont want. You want to narrow her reaction down, control her game. Not to mention, drug dealing carries a very negative social connotation, and now you are identifying yourself with it. Thats a real bad start for your game.

Now as to openers.... you are doing it wrong. =P sorry buddy. To take your first example, you walk right up and ask "Hey I need your opinion.." and notice they immediately shut you out. They turned you off before you even started your routine. Thats a pretty bad sign that you are making some mistakes.

1) Approach indirectly. If you walk straight up, you will give the impression that you are going to hit on them, and this makes any opinion opener sound like a cheezy pick-up line. Instead, walk up next to them, and turn your body a bit, then ask one of the less hot ones. Make it seem like you are more interested in the problem in your head, than in her. Only when she gives her answer, do you suddenly feign interest, but you are now interested in her answer, and you turn more directly to her and engage her in follow up conversation about it.

2) Root your question. If you just flat out ask directly, "Hey, what do you think about X?" it will come off as strange and out of place. You will also risk looking like a guy who is trying "lines" from The Pick-Up Artist. You need to convince her that you actually are thinking about this little problem, and that she is just a convenient random stranger to ask an opinion. So ask more around the bush.

"Well I was just wondering something... (dont directly ask her opinion, its too canned from the show) ...you see, my friend John over there (point) was talking about (insert some contemporary and popular theme, maybe something from TV or film) and anyhow that is wierd because he has this related problem (blah blah enter routine) so what do you think?"

3) Finally, never ask FOR her answer. Never say "I need..." or "Can you tell/give me..." This DLVs you right off the bat, and gives her the opportunity to flat out tell you "No, sorry, dont have the time" or more simply as you got it, "No, go away now." Instead, just ask her the damn question, but remember, do it indirectly, and root it so it seems like its part of a real and natural conversation that is actually going on between you and your wing. Opening a set is all about acting. You have to set it up so it seems natural. If they get the feeling that you are actually just trying to open them (especially if it seems corny or out of place, ie pick-up lines), you are doing it wrong.

Daggaz.
Yes. By corny I meant the Str8 up down right STUPID ones. The ones left still have something workable. I did put in the disclaimer that they may need more to make them complete in case they actually do work then they will need to go somewhere. It can be done and by doing the
work for yourselves it will then come off as more genuine. That's all I
meant by that.

I think some of you are just OVER THINKING the whole PUA thing.
Women aren't stupid. No matter what you say it comes off as a pickup.
They're playing the game too or there would be no point would it?
Saying something anything is just plain and simply better than saying
nothing at all. Even if you get BUSTED then you should have a busted
routine to fall back to and get you back into whatever frame you need.

I like Jaybot's accidental routine possibility:
"I have watched the pickup artist on VH1, learnt a few lines and want to hit on you." With that said you might STILL be able to salvage your sarge. It's a popular show and shows that you are putting in a real effort to being better than you've been.

After all, you HAVE to say something, right?
Think about it.

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Nashon, have you field tested any of those? To me they seem like "pick up lines" rather than openers. I disagree that everything you say to a woman comes off as pick up. Guess you could pull those off sarcastically with the right frame. Good routines, though.

Jaybot, nice! I like the "asshole hour" line.

Daggaz, thanks! Definitely helpful

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I would have to agree with Royalty here. I mean, its probably my imagination, but those look very similiar to the lines that Will Smith used on The Fresh Prince Of Bel-Air. Personally, I would use opinion or direct openers, but definitely not the ones from The Pick Up Artist. I mean, this past Saturday night while I was out, I got called out on using an opener from that show and it blew up in my face big time. The girls were being total bitches about it and they kind of just made me feel very upset. If I were you guys, I'd stick to material that's not on The Pick Up Artist and I'd also stay away from anything involving a pick up line. If I were you, I"d stick with stuff as a combination from The Mystery Method and David De-Angelo's Cocky and Funny routines. Those two are the ones I'm currently following at the moment. Like I said though, stay away from openers that are on The Pick Up Artist. Sure girls will like that you use them, but a good majority of them are also on the look out for guys who have watched the show and try that stuff out on the ladies. Anyway, hope this helps.

Not these specific lines, but yes I've field tested the concept of:
"Making women feel/believe it was their idea for me to approach
them in the first place." I work in a grocery store (Spanish one)
which is always full of hot chicks. Many of whom I have known
as long as I have been there (3 years). I test on them and ask
their opinions on everything I learn, hear, see, or have been told
works. These women consider themselves "High Value" being
hispanic women and among the most beautiful women on earth.
When they say something works it works and when they say it
doesn't it doesn't end of story. I am a security officer there and
know both employees and customers so I get a wide range of
women to ask and test on. They tell me that if they're making
eye contact and/or giving any kind of positive vibe to a guy then
the only thing they really care about is that he start the convo.
Everything else is rather irrelevant. OVER THINKING IT GUYS.

Let me say it yet again not MY lines.
I guess it depends on where you're from.
In my city they work fine. What I meant was that AMERICAN
women primarily, but not exclusively take anything you 1st
say as a pickup line NO MATTER WHAT you say. You HAVE to
say something, right? Right. Otherwise you're a WALLFLOWER.
The point is:
whether you choose to use "THESE" lines or someone
else's or even your own women have a tendency to take it as
a pickup line. The trick is (In MY and only MY opinion) to make
the girl feel that no matter what you say that it was by her (IOI)
invitation that you are there. In short, make it seem as if it was
her idea you approached her in the first place and it won't much
matter what you say as long as you're saying something.

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Think about it. Women know what you're after no matter how you dress it the end result is still the same. Booty. Short and sweet. To get there you need a starting point. The only REAL question is will she play along or is she just going through the motions of just trying to get out of the house or moral support for a friend (Primary sources of the Bitch Shield). You asssume that because she is out in the public that she wants to be hit on simply because she is there. That's on you. I would suggest instead of trying to force a checkmate that you learn instead when to settle for the draw and go the friends route because in that she will feel like it later on and even if not with you directly she can always suggest a friend of hers for you and thus become the perfect pivot. Sometimes playing the game means knowing when the prey isn't playing, but rather there in the role of decoration and not the MAIN EVENT. No matter how she looks or how bad you may desire that female. Anything less is just a slight case of oneitis. In my honest opinion.

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First, women want sex just as much as men. (Wasn't that one of the primary tenets of The Game?) Some won't admit it... which brings me to the fact that people often say and do opposite things. That's why field testing is important.

Second, if women really think that every guy that talks to them wants to fuck them, that's messed up. I talk with plenty of women that I have no intention of ever fucking, sometimes just to be social and have fun!

And even IF every first line is a "pick up line"... your words have value, so by using a lame line you are DLVing yourself.


I DO like your idea about making the approach seem like it was her idea. Any practical applications of that?

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