so not tooting my horn but i know im pretty good looking, thats sounds bad to say. but its the truth. and its sad because i actually think my game struggles because of this. i mean when i try to run routines and stuff especially trying to be cocky funny girls think i full of myself or just a cock bag, im pretty sure when they see me they are like "hey theres a cutie" so since i like have there attreaction fromt he gate....instead of like doing the norm and negging and stuff should i just start to convey intrest right away?

please help fellow handsome PUAs this might be a problem that plagues more then just me

Agreed. I am good-looking / somewhat muscular( I'm getting there but you can tell I work out). I get negative responses from some of my C&F

Same happens to me and I also play sports so that sorta kills my vibe but I still get girls regardless. Some even pick me up which is crazy, the confident ones do. The C&F takes a toll on how far you go with it, like over the top like guys who make clowns of themselves or the guy that has to much confident and is cocky which makes him arrogant. Most of it has to deal with your swagger you might be good looking but lack the skills.

so you think i should like move right into comfort and intrest then?

just cut the cocky down to minimum, leave the funny

You can still be C&F but I would make it more of a neutral attitude towards a girl. Everything with me is natural so its hard for me to convey where your going since I am not there. With me I am mostly humble and laid back now. Just dont go overboard with either routine.

man its just wierd, like sometimes i disqualify myself mentally for being good looking i dont know, it just seems to me like why wouldnt a girl be glad to talk to me, i know there are many reasons why that could (possibly) be, but im fun funny interesting and have great stories, i mean im a club promoter, so im even in the spot light.i dont know what my sticking point is but latly ive been in a slump. and its pathetic, because i know what im supposed to do, plus im handsome, i look like a retard now. any help?

This makes opening extremely easy. Once you get obvious IOI-staredowns from a set or a girl in a set, the moment you catch eye contact.. keep it until she looks away (or if she doesn't look away, I like to slowly smile and do a little wave), and if she's not walking.. walk up to her or her set slowly and say like "You can't just stare at me like that and not come over and say hi." It's a bit weird to immediately get up after getting stared at and say this, but it doesn't matter. She's itching to talk to you. As far as being perceived as a full of yourself dick, just be cocky-funny without putting your target at the base of the jokes. Just have cocky kinda sarcastic comebacks to things. Don't really neg.

hey i liek that, i will try it, very good to you sir, respect points

The obvious would be to keep the negging to a minimum but honestly, it may be all in your head. It's a good thing to know you are good looking and that women are interested in that it helps with your confidence, but never let it get to your head. Never approach a girl or set thinking that you're entitled to take her home or share a good conversation just because of your looks. Even worse, don't blame your looks on any recent slump.

Trust me, if you have really good looks and come off as arrogant, you can still get the girl. Obviously that is not the goal of being C&F but that's just how things work, why? Because in the past I've done this knowing I had the girl from the beginning and didn't have to work for it (I'm sure you've done the same).

Work on other aspects of your game to make sure you spark interest on top of physical attraction. Don't look at your looks as a handicap, but a tool that not all PUAs have at there disposal!!!

you dont have to cut down on negging if you're good looking.
negging is designed to knock her off her pedastal... so it can be pretty effective still even if you are good looking.

as for C&F, maybe tone down the cocky a tiny bit.

also, self depreciating humour goes a long way. in an average guy or ugly guy it might come off as a poor self image or something, but it really works wonders if you're good looking.
i'm fairly skinny, so obviously i love talking about how much of a beefcake i am etc ("i once beat arnold swarzenegger in an arm wrestling match"). gets a lot of laughs and sets me up for a lot of kino ("come feel these guns ") this also works for disarming amogs btw

a lot of guys try to be smooth etc... which works, i suppose.
but smooth, good looking PUAs come off as players and gets the bitch shields waayyy up. so be goofy, random, playful and tease!

don't ever self-deprecate about your looks, unless it's something obvious and objective (being scrawny, being pale, etc). If you start self-deprecating about your face, well, chances are, there's a girl who doesn't think you're as good looking as you do and this can be bad.

OP has a point, though, about being percieved as overly arrogant if he's just a little bit cocky. People are quicker to judge your personality, for better or worse, if you're good looking. We take comfort in knowing that the 9 is probably a "huge bitch anyways" whereas we don't really care about the 4's personality. Girls think the same.

i see you're new... so...
start here:
worthwhile-threads-vt20776.html
newbie-pointers-vt13099.html
terms-of-importance-great-for-new-members-vt3077.html
go through the above. some solid stuff there.
as for your question - it doesnt matter whether she think's you're hot or not. if you work it right you'll be in her pants. so learn how to work it.

I maybe be wrong but even if you are a model why stop negging the girl? I think that for really HBs 8++ u should still neg her or you will be like any other handsome guy hitting her.

This is something I've wondered about. I'm fairly average looking, not unattractive but not much really stands out. I get called cute more than sexy or handsome, and I have a slim frame so I'm not the most masculine looking. I actually feel that this helps me out, because girls aren't intimidated by my looks. That's probably one of the biggest reasons I get away with the way I do things so often, and I'm not saying it wouldn't work if I was built like a motherfucker and had a more handsome face - it would, but women are intrigued by it more because they don't expect it when they look at me.

It's no secret that girls go more for personality. Sure, they wanna be attracted to the guy physically, but without a personality all he is, is a pretty face and a nice body. A guy who is real hot shit, who is introverted and shy, will get lots of looks and people talking about him but rarely, if ever, will he do anything about it. Take that same guy and give him an outgoing personality - that's how he is perceived to be. People look at him, and assume because he is attractive he has confidence and charm because of the way he's been treated by others growing up. Thus, when he displays confidence it is normal - too much though, and it is perceived as arrogance, or cockiness.

Now, take a guy with average looks, or even a guy who is less conventionally attractive. Give him that confidence, friendly attitude and personality. It is a lot less likely for him to be perceived as cocky... instead of women expecting him to be like that (based on assumptions and pre-conceived ideas), they're actually intrigued by his confidence and wonder where it comes from. This, in turn, makes them want to meet him. So, what I'm saying is, if this guy has the same confidence and personality as the really good looking dude, he will get just as many women. And I've seen this; it's no theory.

You know the only difference between an average looking guy and a way above average looking guy? The shit tests girls use. The tests I get revolve around the fact that she doesn't know me, if I'm actually being serious, little things like that... a guy who is much better looking will get subjective criticisms much more often, ie. being called cocky or whatever. If I was better looking than I am now, I would still get away with the way I approach and talk to girls... I'd just have to deal with more shit tests and they'd be a bit more harsh because of the girls' automatic assumotion that I was just being arrogant. I do get called cocky the occasional time, and interestingly, those are the girls who can't shut the fuck up about how "hot" I am. So my theory is, the more attracted to you she is, the more likely she is to perceive your confidence as arrogance. Makes sense, right?