Ok I had a problem last night when I was at Bar Wild. Inbetween my drinking I would go out and engage in some sarging with HB7s and 8s (Still having a hard time going up to 9 and 10s). I came across some HB7s and 8s. I did an openner, got there attention, neged my targets but when it came time to actually talk with them and just get them to talk about themselves I found these girls really boring. They had no personality it seems, even when they talked about there favorite subject(themselves). I don't know if I was doing something wrong or maybe they were just HB7s and 8s that were outright boring. Has anyone had similar experiences or any tips on something I could do better next time.

what questions did you ask?

This is classic.

In the course of sarging you will find out somethings namely some women are just sans personality.

Perhaps you are beating yourself about this thinking that some how you did not "ëlict" her personality? is that possible?

Alright perhaps better questions could have led to better answers but you got to consider in this day and age people have personalities other than their own consequently you get such boring predictable chicks.

If uoy found it boring you move on , would you listen to a guy who talks about algorithms non-stop no you would politely excuse youself

They have to intreast you to keep your intreast in the first place.

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Well I remember I asked them what they did, brought up talk on traveling and trips, made them talk about themselves from some questions. But ya I get what you are saying Talleyrand. But I have found out that sometimes a girl just doesn't want to open up. Take in point my new FB, she doesn't like to talk over the phone and only txt msgs. She really just sits there and doesn't initiate any conversation. Infact it was I who has to start off our sex sessions. When I actually came out and asked her about this and brought up I thought she was rather boring and one dimensional. She merely stated she doesn't open up that much. So I am guessing some girls might only seem boring because they are afraid to get hurt, have been hurt in the past, or maybe its a trust issue. I am thinking about next time I go out and sarge to work on seeing how I can gain some trust. Or even work on trust with girls I already know.

Well, first of all, some girls are just boring. It's a fact, they have no personality and it's like drawing blood from a stone. Keep trying, if you still want a fuck, because it seems like you are still interested and you'll have a better chance.
If a woman is only giving you one word answers, because she's a bit dull, neg her with something like: "You like one word answers/sentences don't you?" If she's interested in you, she'll try to open up more, and will actively try to entertain you more. If she's not and she's trying to get rid of you, she'll keep going to antagonize you.

Peace and love, Kristov.

Shaft you have to decide what you want from an interaction, I donot mean by that that you should plan it out to the nth degree but you have to say I want a woman who will participate in the conversation in a way I will find intreasting, once you put that as your standard you will find your attitude subcommunicating to the lady you are dealing with.

As for all the stuff you wrote, I know that PU is a real game of social and psychological timing, but in the end you have to realise every minute you waste trying to figure out the problems of the inner lost child of the HB is taking time away that you could have used to sarge a woman with HSE, personally I do not trust any lady who does not open in a resonable amount of time the same way I would not trust a guy in the same situation, like ceasar I prefer the people around me to be a certain way, if not the lady with the red pumps and the lip gloss dancing next to the boom box is intreasting.

Why give all this time to analyse someone who does not deserve it?

But I have found out that sometimes a girl just doesn't want to open up.

And why does that bother be without ego and such things will not bother you.

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She is boring, dull, nothing going on for her upstairs? I haven't enough experience in this to comment on what to do in your game, but I would say leave her be. Let her be the girl who you can walk your HB9 by for some social proof. The guy that got me into this thing once told me that boring girls (don't confuse with dumb) are probably as good in bed as they are for conversation. Make a friend and jet.

-orion

I had similar experience. Most of the time I seal the deal with the HB7s or 8s ASAP to get their their HB9-10 friends at the other side of the bar.Sometimes, I just try to maximize the situation. Sometimes the HB7 has a HB 9 friend at the bar . Sometimes if you got skills in using this HB 7 to introduce you to her HB9-10 friend, then thats a whole other ballgame.

But if you are focused on sealing this deal with the boring hb7, usually the hb7 is conversating more than you or is leading the conversation. Take control of your talk and see if she has a sense of humor. Humor is key. If she doesn't laugh to your sense of humor, but your focused in changing the boring theme, then you need to see it in long term. Maybe she is boring because she is not good in conversating with new people. Most of the time they are a diamond in the ruff. If you see the diamond in her, she can be a HB9-10. Its all how you work this hottie. Whether you realize it or not, you can help her open up to you and the more she opens up, the less boring she is. Then you will see the HB9-10 in her. Maybe she is a head doctor in disguise.Good luck.

Kay, Shaft, we've talked about this with Mocha, but I'm not sure it's been a problem with you previously, so this may be the first time I've directed it at you.

If you want someone to open up to you, there are two paths you can take to making that happen. The first is by asking questions, but a lot of times it becomes something like an interrogation. Rather than ask questions that involve your targets, you ask questions that can be quickly answered and then ignored. These are referred to as closed-ended questions.

Open ended questions are those that elicit a more detailed response. "What?" is a very bad question. It can be answered in monosylables if desired, on nearly every occasion. "Why?" is a much better question, because it requires a deeper delving of a topic. Almost as powerful as "Why," but less psycho-therapist-ish is "How?" It allows for them to elaborate on the topic, something men are more comfortable discussing than women, while leading up to the why.

Open-ended questions engage people on a level less immediately about the topic. Open-ended questions engage people emotionaly. As a horrible example you should never use in the field, "How did that make you feel?" is an open ended question.

The other road is the open-ended statement. People do not ask their friends a barrage of questions, but rather make broad statements about their own experiences. "So, I went to the mall today," is something a friend may say to a friend.

An open-ended statements are, in a lot of ways, just like open-ended questions. They engage on the emotional, rather than the topical. "So I went to Hawaii on vacation," is a closed statement. "I love how scuba-diving makes me feel like I'm the only person in the whole world; it's fun but it's also kind of scary," is open-ended, and invites further conversation.

Engage people (everyone, anyone) on an emotional level, and you'll find that they are much more likely to be interesting people.

Then again, some folk are just plain boring. They haven't been anywhere or done anything. In these cases, it's a great idea to try a spot of role-playing with them. Tell her all the wonderfully exciting/scary/sexy things you're going to do together. Describe your future adventures in vivid, emotional detail, and you'll find that even the boring people will find something to say.

And always, always, always remember the 90/10 rule. If it seems they're giving less of the conversation than you are, they ARE giving less of the conversation than you are, and you need to make up for that lack. When she wants to give 50, you give 50 back, but not a moment beforehand. And if she slips back into 10, give 90 until she's comfortable again.

Don't worry Monkey I have figured that stuff out now.