Honestly these are good routines to use, but I really don't like to mess with girls who have boyfriends, or are in relationships. Just not my thing... I think they call it morals. Sure you can argue that if she is willing to forget her boyfriend and sleep with you then thats her problem. But see... A true PUA will leave the girl better then when he found her. I mean think of it, what we do out there in the field is ment to manipulate a girl to consider us as a potentional mate. If I had a girlfriend that cheated on me because some PUA picked her up. I would find out where he parties and hit him with my truck. I am dead serious, we have impressive gifts to attract and manipulate. Don't take for granted the gifts and knowlegde we have. Imagine if your girl was gamed by another PUA and he fucked her, how would you feel. Sure I game girls with boyfriends... but I don't go farther then just building rapport. I don't even bother with numbers.

it'd work pretty much on weak relationships, which i fine okay to use. other than that bad karma

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I agree with you man. I liked this saying, it exactly correct "the man goes as far as the woman wants."

I'm just going to say a few random words here.

I liked the "Boyfriend Destroyers" by whoever, that xf (?) posted.
I'd never seen anything like that before, I'm really impressed.

I'm brand-spanking-new to these forums (just registered today).
But a trend I'm noticing is whenever boyfriends are brought up,
it turns into a moral issue with everybody.
No matter how many different posts, that's where it seems to lead.

This is what I think:

1) We can all agree that as current or soon-to-be pickup artists,
we're supposed to leave the girl better off than when we came.

2) We can agree that if a girl really loves her boyfriend, she won't cheat.
Otherwise, she potentially might.

3) And lastly, we can all agree that we'd be pretty pissed if some guy gamed our girl. Yes?

A way that we can look at this is as such:
Theoretically, even if we get the girl to cheat, potentially ruining the relationship,
in a way, we've actually helped her.

I know, I sound crazy, but hear me out.

Most of us know how love is (I think).
When you finally think you've found the one.
And your so in love and everything.
But people really get dillusional with this kind of thing.
They get stuck in this moment, forget about everything else,
until everything else goes away, and this is all they have.

Now imagine somebody comes along and breaks them out of this spell.
Maybe their boyfriend isn't so great.
Maybe they're really not as in love as they thought.
They realize that, "Hey, there's got to be something better"
"I can do better than this."

In a sense, while making the current situation stressful,
in the long-run, we actually help them get their shit straight.

I've always gone with a phrase I heard from David Deangelo material,
"It's not the girl, it's the process"
I believe in this whole-heartedly on matters of falling in love.
I can think of a few times I fell in love.
Some girls were more deserving of it than others.
It's just a different way of thinking.

I've been with my girlfriend for over a year.
And I love her immensely.
But at the same time, I understand that I could easily fall in love again.
And with somebody completely different, possibly.



Anyways, it's just mixed philosophy bullshit.
Take it or leave it.

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I kinda agree with XF on praising the boyfriend to be really ideal. Such that when she compares the boyfriend against ur standards, she will be disappointed. But i dont get the part when u kinda say how bad u are and wad not. could anyone kindly explain? thanks

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Hi Pride , Your talking about this ?


If you talk about how horrible a BF YOU would be, and why she would never want to date you, she will start to relate that to HER experience with HER boyfriend.

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In case this is it... You tell how horrible you will be as a BF (ironic way) so that she relate that to her experiences with ehr bf... get it ?

YOu say: I will be a reall bad BF because I never call, /I call all the time and in bad moments... (So she will thinka bout it and find that her bf do that a lot.)

_If you still don't get it , I will be glad to explain it better.

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I certainly respect this position...i never agreed that PU is about fucking limitlessly, forever. A PU is a first a man, and a man has something to stand for, thats what gives him hi value. Good work Bud.

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Wow, controversy here
Here is my take on how you pick up girls who have boyfriend, no routines, no lines, just game.

1. Don't try to compete with him.
The risk of using a routine, or a line is getting caught, if you do get caught, her defense levels about her boyfriend will obviously go up, and you do not want that to happen. In other words "Don't make it and either- or decision". You're the guy who she can 'also' enjoy, that is, if you just want to have some fun. You see, if you make it and "yes-or-no" thing, she will think about all the things that will take to break up with her boyfriend, the drama, pain, etc, and that's already a lot of work.

2. Have (or pretend to have) an exciting life that she's not part of
Take the attitude of "Good that you have a boyfriend, that way you won't be bugging when Im busy in my coool life". Make sure she knows you have other possible lovers, in this way, she won't worry about you falling for her (big relief).

3. OVER encourage her relationship
Think about this, Have you ever told one of your gf's about your girlfriend, and she kinda got over-excited about the relationship? You kinda say 'Yea, I guess she's alright".
What's the effect here, you're setting him up to live up to expectations he can NOT meet, then her mind will think her boyfriend is not as good as she thought he was.

4. Run your game on her, obviously if you don't have this, no deal.

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its funny to see how everyone goes from helpin sum1 out to arguing. read from first post to like half way youll laff.

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Yeah really the best BF destroyer is to just continue gaming as usual and maybe throw in a witty line like what Wizard suggested. But if you want to avoid her even BRINGING UP her BF in conversation (she may even just be lying about having a BF), or if she's with him at the time, then just throw in disqualifiers. For example 'you're so my type, too bad I don't date women' etc etc. And when you understand the principles of disqulifiers you can throw them off left right and centre

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what's the meaning of she bangs?

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Banging somebody Means Fucking SOmebody lol
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romeo! dude that was solid stuff.

i'm in a personal dilemma myself w/ a girl who's been w/ guy for over a year. i really just like hanging out w/ her and if things ever escalate to sexual tension, i'd stop it all -- not just to drive her crazy, but because i don't think it's right.

mystery tends to think that kissing a girl, not making out, is part of building rapport; it is not part of foreplay or sexual tension. what do you guys think? mystery is a little more savage than me. hehe.

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"power, success, and accomplishment; love, companionship, and sex." -- Style

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the OP is asking about a boyfriend destroyer routine -- NOT the ethics of breaking up a relationship.

Here's a good boyfriend destroyer routine:
http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/03_A ... troy.shtml

The basic idea is to ask about the boyfriend and get her to focus on the problems of their relationship while demonstrating your strength in those same problematic areas. Direct convincing doesn't work at all from my experience -- the reframing of the HB's relationship has to happen in her own mind. Then and only then can you start to move in and present yourself as a better choice.

With any girl in a bar, in order to get with her, you have to be better than every other guy in the bar.

With a girl with a boyfriend, you only have to be better than him.

-Wise words I learned to live by

Girls that actually have boyfriends are sometimes easier to sarge because they realize that you are better than their boyfriend.

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