those are socio dynamic naturals
but i have seen naturals which walk into a room and the way they stand and appear women start hitting on them.

i would sum it up to
body language
extreme confidence
looking somewhat dirty (rock star like)

and i remember they have this air around them as if they had all the time in the world.
most AFCs project a kind of restlessness

i agree with the great body language and extreme confidence. i'm not so sure about the looking dirty part. that's not necessarily one of the parts. a natural may walk into a room dressed very nicely, clean shave, etc. and still get the attention. but yea, i agree.

in my experience the negative looking guy is more peacocking than the clean guy. thats why guys who look like bad boys get more chicks

one word:

CALM.

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Sean Messenger
http://LVo3.com

"War is not the answer. Love is."

I see myself as a true natural and I speek for the so called "Natural Game". Therefore I also understand what you mean when you say that "i have seen naturals which walk into a room and the way they stand and appear women start hitting on them". This has happened to me countless times. This even with extremely hot girls ("SHB10"). I have had times when a girl grabs me in my arm and says hey come here I want to talk to you. Therefore I can also say to you that it's not about "peacocking" or about "looking somewhat dirty (rock star like)". I don't look like that. I'm just looking like I do. The point is that it hasn't really got anything to do with looking good but about being attractive. This explains why I as a 220lb could get a extremely good looking girl to really like me without any PUA tricks. The thing with the so called "AFCs" is like you say they are not themselves and so project a kind of "restlessness".

I don't look like a so called "negative" looking "bad boy"! lol... This as I'm always dressed very nicely and always clean shaved. Still I'm a person that you would call a true natural. So I get the attention from girls as much if not more than a "bad boy". The thing is that a natural is totally I with himself and don't try to be anything he is not. The "bad boys" are more I with themselves and "AFCs" try to be something that they are not.

So how exactly does a true natural end up researching and being part of the PUA community.

I'm not giving shit so don't get narky on me

for me, it was this:

i could always get a girlfriend, but i wasn't making the relationship work. i dated amazing girls but kept fucking up. then i found DYD. then i found MASF. then i found a company that promised they could teach how to meet great girls in the daytime.

and that got me here. and y'know, even tho the community really didn't have a lot to teach me about my actual goal, i've achieved it.

i met an amazing girl, in the daytime, not drunk, and have the best relationship with the best sex of my entire life.


(most naturals are actually pretty sad, because they can get girls, but can't keep the great ones).

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Sean Messenger
http://LVo3.com

"War is not the answer. Love is."

Yeah cool, it's inspirational to be around a collective who've sorted their lives out and now have the understanding and awareness that comes with the skill set. I've found myself in similar situations, always wondering what went wrong later down the track and then trying to fix it in all the wrong ways. dig, dig, dig... But now I know.

Have you seen the pick up artist 2 on VH1? In the first episode Mystery and Matador show the AFCs how to "get" girls. I know that I can do the same without any pick up artist tactics. It's not hard at all to get a good connection with beautiful girls. This even if you go direct with your bodylanguage. When I approach girls I actually do it like I would "hit" on them. The only difference is that I'm not trying to either "hit" or "get" a girl but creat a strong connection between us two. I'm not out for a one night stand but to get a loving connection between the two of us. That is not the real problem for me. This is not even the reason I am here in the seduction community. So why am I here you ask.

The reason why I came here in the first place was to become a better lover when I am with the girl I like and to understand and learn more about who I am as a person. I read "The Game" by Neil Strauss and became interested about this world. The only problem is that I have never really got what I was looking for here in the so called "real" PUA world. This as here everything is about tactics and how to seduce a girl with tactics. I'm instead for the "Natural Game" and to seduce a girl the way that nature has learnt me. I'm a true romantic that want to become a better lover. This is a never ending learning process...

For me, it's when you're a jack of all trades (even if you're not the master of any)

I really can't think of any conversation topic that makes me feel uncomfortable. I played all sorts of instruments, involved in various athletic endevours, traveled to many parts of the World and am familiar with languages and cultures, know enough about various professional industries, etc . .

Then as soon as I can hop into any conversation, I'm just as quick to bridge them to my strengths.

You can be the calm silent guy all you want but if you continue to do this, you're the creepy boring nerd dude. You go in silent and calm because you're confident with every situation but there comes a point where you'll need to prove it. Confidently saying, "Well, I'm not familiar with ____" only works because you're extremely confident with just about everything else.

This is why with the young guys on this forum, I often recommend "life improvement' over some silly pick up "formula".

I gotta agree with Seanmessenger in his one word response:

CALM.

That's all there is to it- if you're in your own world, nothing can phase you and you look cool as hell

That's the kinda impression that gets girls wanting to get introduced to you.

FIRst post btw! =)

guys, i just wanna add my 2cents

before i actually came across "the game" i f closed over 100 girls and feel that readin the book actually hurt my game cause it got me thinkin of what im doing now and its not so natural for me, but then i got interested in all the logistics of it all and the psychological part of it also, so im in this for personal development and whatever could help me out

i have had girls tell me that im intimidatin because i will admit, im not a bad lookin guy, and with that said i have closed some girls really quick just because of my looks, then after they found out that im a pretty solid guy

i guess what im tryin to spread from this is that i think eveyone has natural game, good lookin or not, its just your confidence, thats what it comes down to, you know how they say dogs can smell fear...well women can smell confidence and if your oozin from it they will know it, but dont be cocky cause thats not necessarily a good thing, also dont try to hard, i found its more fun when you dont necessarily have to try and you close a bird, its a good feelin when you go out feelin like shit and pull a girl, haha love those days cause i think to myself, "if i pulled lookin/feelin like this, i know what it would be like when im top of my game"

for eveyone out there, im here to help, if you have any questions, im a whity guy, so i always have a good comeback with anything girls say, there has been very few times that i have been speechless after a girl said something, but i know how to salvage it also

so guys, keep it real, keep it fun, but remember to keep it real fun, im not too far from the double century mark, haha

cheers

Clutch

Very true. Its because most naturals learnt how to attract women very well, so they continue that in a relationship doing the same things. Unfortunatly, being in a relationship and attracting someone are different things compleatly.
They either go AFC and let the women walk all over them, or they keep trying to pick her up 24/7 which just doesnt work. Either way, relationships dont last long.

With naturals, I'd say it's not that they "can't" keep girls . . . they just don't choose to keep them.. Usually, they quit on the relationships and not the other way around. (Not that there's anything good about this either. . . it's probably equally sad . . .)

It's too easy for the natural to walk away. On any given weekend, anywhere in the World, he can just go find another girl. He can game her and within 2 weeknds . . . presto, you've got yourself a replacement. And at these early stages of a relationship, you're less likely to experience any serious issues or conflict so there's this initial feeling that he made a great choice with the "trade-in". Add to this, naturals always have the next one lined up because they're just habitual flirters.

So one little bump in the relationship and it's too easy for the guy to go, "Fuck this . . . I can find another one this weekend who won't pull any of this crazy shit." . . . Well, the guy moves on, on, and on but soon finds out the big secret: ALL WOMEN ARE CRAZY. Which basically means that perhaps really . . . maybe he's the crazy one.