One of my friend's has this totally Super Afc perception about women.

He looked at me straight in the face and said

I like to please women a lot because then they see me as a gentleman

I kinda looked at him afterward and thought he was joking but when i saw how serious he was i almost cried not because of anything but because he needs help.

I have tried to introduce him to this stuff i even showed him the site but he still won't listen. I have tried to convince him that the concepts do work.



The sad thing is we are totally opposite when it comes to chicks. Chicks approach me and totally ignore him as if he isn't even there.

I totally know how you feel, I have several friends who would benefit so damn much with even just a rough overview of PU but its as if their beliefs are so stuck in AFC that they cant even realise the problem and that they need help. My friends who are bad with women tend to use the usual AFC excuses "I dont look hot enough", "I dont earn enough money", etc.

They will probably live their whole lives in AFCness. Its so frustrating because as a friend I want to help, but if someone doesnt realise they need help, and if they are not looking for help, its impossible to force someone in to this.

same thing here i tried to help my boy and he laughted like he bags mad girls.

most people in the world dont know how to take constructive critiziam. everyone can get better in every aspect. espiacially the one who dont know what their doing.

I had a friend like that, only he thought that if he said funny things around women that would be enough to have them running to him. Only the shit he said wasn't funny (who the fuch brings up mortal kombat parodys infront of HBs) when I told him this wasn't going to work and even gave him advice he just ignored me and continue doing what he was doing when we hung out (and killed my chances with the HBs before I even had the chance to open.)

So in the end i just decided that you can only lead a horse to water but can't make him drink, but I was gonna let his afcness bring me down. so we haven't hung out or talked much since then

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Don't ever let somebody tell you.. you can't do something. Not even me. All right?

You got a dream.. you gotta protect it. People can't do something themselves, they wanna tell you you can't do it. If you want something, Go get it. Period.

its common for people which includes our friends not to look at what their doing honestly, and see wether if they changed their inputs (style, convo, personality etc) they'd get better results.

If you are really bent on having your friends see the benefits of what 'we' are doing and learning, then maybe you settle as being the example and when he see's you with mad 9's etc and happy and successful he will buy into it, - anyway if he doesnt you've got mad HB's tryin to get at you.

Peace

I have a friend who said almost the exact same thing.

I just love this girl and I want to buy her whatever her heart desires so she would love me back

I showed him this site, told him about The Game, and he still doesnt want to change. He even waits on MSN for hours for this girl to show up so he can talk to her, and when she does, he blows it by apologizing for anything he thinks was the least bit funny or mean

The best way is to show your friend that it works. Take him out sarging with you and show him how succesful it can make him. Then once he tries and succeeds, that's when it becomes interesting. Can you say wing?

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You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take

ahhhhh yes!

i have some friends that keep saying how there gona go to spain because the chicks are so hot.... what? you cant get a single girl here so your going to go to spain? im going to X college because the girls are all hot... maby if i pick up girls infront of them...

everyone on this thread seems to have afc friends who just won't listen.
i do too. i actually felt sorry for one of them because he was so unsuccessful and told him about PU. he researched it. the next day he was talking shit about how it's so ridiculous. at that point i just thought fuck it, if you wanna stay an afc then go ahead. plus, i wouldn't really want every single guy knowing about PU because the competition will be too harsh. i have no PUA friends, only afc's and a few naturals and it's very rewarding when they look up to you because you can get any girl.

ive got ALOT of mates who are completely clueless in this area and them being around me would only serve to lower my chances... so i do all my sarging alone or with a few peosp from this site. i have tried to show my freinds this material and they laugh it off.. but i dont care, im seing rapid improvement in myself. and when it comes down to it guys your only responsibility is yourselves.

Thats is part my motivation for doing this... That an I hate that I'm a AFC myself at times or was.. now PUA in training.

My friend has a good natural game he might actually be a PUA and i've never bothered to ask. I hate walking in his shadow all the bars we go to if he's there girls ignore everyone and flock to him.

I got sick of it an decided I need to find out what the heck he does or has that I don't... Come to find out its nothing pyshical, nothing about money, nothing about what he or I own.. it all came down to he loves himself and is extremely confident. Something I was not and still am not 100% but the past month has been a huge learning experience and I'm getting better... The future will hold some good times i'm very sure of that

Just gotta watch out for the chicks with bigger b/fs than me that wanna rip your head off cuz you just came out the bathroom with his girl.

I also have a totally clueless AFC friend. And it's quite odd: he's the most sexually driven guy I know, constantly referencing sex and (probably) masturbating constantly. The problem is that he doesn't get ANY girls. I think he's a kiss-virgin, actually. Well, i texted my wing about The Game and it accidentally went to AFC friend's inbox.

He researched "The Game" and PUA forums (probably this very one), and concluded that:

"I don't need a book to get girls.

I laughed in his face.

"The hell you don't!"

I feel bad for the guy, because last night my wing and I went sarging, and AFC tagged along. While my wing and I were surrounded by girls, and running sets, AFC just sat in the corner looking grim, predatory, and genuinely bored. He eventually left early because he was "engulfed in unrelenting boredom."

If only he would take my goddamn advice...

In my honest opinion I truly think it's a change that one person must truly accept to do this.
Remember that when you're talking to someone about these kinda of these, your basically shaking that foundations his life stands on. And it's REALLY REALLY scary to know that you can fall at any moment, and you really do feel weak, that's why alot of AFC just ignore this fact.

But what they don't understand is that they truly to need to accept being who they TRULY are, not what they think they should be.

I guess like the guy above me said, " you can only bring the horse to the water, you can't make him drink it."

I just love women, love to be with them and I am what you would call a true romantic that "like to please women a lot because then they see me as a gentleman" and I show this openly. Still I am not what you would call a "totally Super Afc". This because women just gravitate towards me like WoW! In the same way they possibly do to you to. I do not use any pick up material either. It works for me and I would actually say that this is the best way of seducing women. It's how it has been for a very long time. You know your friend and I do not. I would say that what he needs is possibly to understand who he is, what his standards and values are and stop having the bad beliefs that he has to stop him from being good with women. Keep in mind that it is not about getting or hitting on a girl but to share the love and become lovers. I would say that his and the other AFCs problem is that their inner game is not what it should be. I think he is not I with himself. At least not yet if he can not get an connection with girls. What I would recommend for him is not to change into anything he is not but to become more of himself and especially be I with himself as a true man of flesh and blood.