I don't think I can post links here, but look up "Zebu cards" from Barbara Stepp. They are the best product I know of to teach people the types of language patterns needed to elicit states.
Examples:

You may or may not....notice how comfotable you feel as you focus on the sound of my voice. Ross would call this a weasel phrase. OK. The label is not important, what is important is the effect.

How would it feel if you were to find yourself completely fascinated with me at this moment?

You might not have noticed the feelings of excitement rushing through you as I talk about this.

Imagine, there's an entire deck of cards with gems like these.

_________________
"There is no greater pleasure than to kick a girl out of your bed when it is no longer clear who is fucking who."

For me, it's more about attitude than any particular techniques. The same is true, by the way, with pick up. So, when I'm selling, I act as if it is a given that the person is going to do what I want, i.e. buy my product. It's called assuming the sale. That being said, pepper your entire conversation with embedded commands and focus a lot on tonality. In addition to that, use softeners and elicit states. For example,

"I don't know if you can recall the last time you had a pleasant experience buying X..."
"I don't know if" is a softener, the rest elicits the state.
LINK IT TO YOUR PRODUCT!!!!

Exmaples of embedded commands:
"So, if you decided to buy this car, you can take comfort in knowing that you will have 24 hour roadside assistance for the next three years."

"When you buy this car, you're not just buying this car, you're buying into this dealership and myself. You know the service you will be getting with your investment and that is why you decided to buy here."

It's difficult for me to just come up with stuff off the top of my head. Like I said, it's really about attitude, i.e. confidence.

Oh, and use pauses a lot.

_________________
"There is no greater pleasure than to kick a girl out of your bed when it is no longer clear who is fucking who."

Continuing the thought on sales, use posthypnotics as well. Today I sold a car to a HB9 because, when she was last here I used posthypnotics, such as:

"The more you think about this car, the more you're going to realize that this is the right car for you."

"As you test drive the Honda Civic, you'll remember how much better this car (Mazda 3, if you must know) handles.

"You won't feel the road as well, and consequently, you won't feel as safe in the Nissan as you do in the Mazda."

Read "Unlimited Selling Power." It's a great book.

_________________
"There is no greater pleasure than to kick a girl out of your bed when it is no longer clear who is fucking who."

Who the fuck is this guy and why is he so full of himself? Look at this private message i received:

"Excuse me, but if you haven't noticed the "Ask Rafiel thread" is "Ask Rafiel", not "Ask RussianBear". I have already referred you to the moderators for swearing/flaming, and if you continue to infringe on my boundaries I will push further. If you wish to help members who have posted in my thread, please create a new thread from it. Thank you. If you have something against me then I apologise, but I am who I am and I can't change that. Sorry."

Dude, if you feel threatened by me, that is your problem. People here appreciate help, no matter who it comes from. That's the point, not feeding your ego. Grow up.

"Most of the types of language patterns you are talking about, RussianBear, is known explicitly and famously in NLP as the ‘Milton model’." Did I say they weren't? I don't know why you feel the need to try and one-up me, I guess you're insecure inside, but the labels are not as important as the concepts.
"I don’t know where the jargon ‘posthypnotics’ came from, because that implies ‘after hypnosis’, when these are merely very standard techniques for basic hypnosis, DURING hypnosis." Really? You've been an NLPer for a long time and you've never heard of posthypnotic suggestions?

_________________
"There is no greater pleasure than to kick a girl out of your bed when it is no longer clear who is fucking who."

I apologise. If you wish to argue then you have no need, because I'm telling you now that you've won. This is not what I hoped for when Chief stickied this thread. I'd like to delete it now please, I tried to offer my expertise to the forum but I guess it is better off without me.

Hobbit,

You tell me what's worse, someone with very little NLP knowledge passing himself off as an expert (Rafiel) or someone answering questions of posters to contribute to the community (me). Should I really start a new thread for each question that has been posed? Is that productive? Does that not clutter up the forum?

Anyway, I"m pretty sure I'm done with this site.

_________________
"There is no greater pleasure than to kick a girl out of your bed when it is no longer clear who is fucking who."

(I don't feel a simple lol will be able to convey the gravity of the situation)
Hahahahahaha...
this shit turned into a piss-contest.
I love the fact that Gamble (not Rafael Gimble, but Rafiel Gamble, sry for the earlier mistaken identity thing there, mr.) and russianbear compete for the limelight, while they already seem decided, viciously, that the other has no worthwhile comments or something, and all the while they both pour out gold answers.

it's like watching religious scholars, both equally right and full of knowledge, but each from a different direction, and with different ways of conveying this.

The best part is that, since both appear to be knowledgeable within the field of NLP, which should lead to an understanding that everybody understands things a little different, thus another mans way of conveying information might not be quite the way you're used to understand it.

I just love it, guys.

Here's a question, and I'd love to hear both of you on this, just for the fuck of it:

What is the best way of learning to efficiently use NLP and SS, and is there any reason this should be postponed until one has a greater understanding of other ways about the field of seduction ?

I won't delete it but I'll unsticky it.

my question about sales started all this .... i didnt it would turn into this . when i asked the question i was really hoping both of you would response. both of you are pretty knowledgable and know alot more than half of us on the forums. . why cant this be rafael and russian bears nlp thread .... why does it have to be one or the others ...

Mr. Wolf,

"What is the best way of learning to efficiently use NLP and SS, and is there any reason this should be postponed until one has a greater understanding of other ways about the field of seduction ?"

I'll get to this in a minute. First, allow me to address your comments. I do not feel that I am the ultimate authority in NLP and SS. Actually, I am still a student. I do feel, however, that when somebody posts a question on a forum, it is fair game for all readers to respond if that have something helpful and useful. We're all here to learn together. Let's do that.

The best way to learn NLP and SS. Like I said in an earlier post, just do it. It's a little more complicated than other things, so the earlier one starts, the sooner they will improve. I would definitely recommend Ross products. He's done a wonderful job and put together some amazing products. Also, it's never a bad idea to attend an NLP practitioner training. While it is not for seduction, it will help anyone get their head on straight. That's why I recommend the book "NLP: The New Technology of Achievement." This book will not teach you how to persuade, but it will get your head straight and solve all of one's inner game issues.

_________________
"There is no greater pleasure than to kick a girl out of your bed when it is no longer clear who is fucking who."

So... Back to business Raffy?

_________________
There are no failures, only feedback.