I apologize for the delayed response. I've been traveling and seeing family for the holidays so I don't get to my computer very often.
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JSmooth I have 2 questions.
1) With the earlier interesting comment you made a couple pages back about being a 'caveman' and effectively sexualising your online conversation (which I'm currently not good at) with some women online, who are openly sexual (either in their online profile, in the response they give to a guy's opening message, or both), can you please offer any more helpful tips on this, as I've encountered these women online and haven't had much luck.
It's hard to offer a lot of tips for this because most of it I use just comes from calibration both online and 'in-field' doing this as well. Based on the things she says I can get a "feel" for the type of girl she is. With that knowledge I know how far I can push things.
Obviously, if you go too far you are going to creep her out and it's conversation over! If you can run solid game you can get her in person and it doesn't matter.
To get some more ideas I would check out the blogs by El Topo (
http://the-red-mole.blogspot.com) and Captain Jack (
www.betheseducer.com). These guys are great at sexually escalating things in person. I read their posts to get ideas for this.
One idea that El Topo uses is Kung Fu Penis or KFP for short. The idea is the more you get the girl thinking about sex the more she thinks about your equipment and the more she wants it. El Topo is pretty perverted and freely admits it so it works for him. You have to figure out what works for you.
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Some give the impression my attempt to create romantic attraction was a turn off to them, as they're into sex (so I suspect a guy needs to create a combo of both sexual attraction and toned down romantic attraction), while some others seem to get off on disqualifying the attempts of guys who write to them to game them sexually (from what the lady says in her profile). Like they might say 'that attempt was really lame and you'll have to do a lot better than that to stand a chance with me and you'll need to be much more explicit'. This can get very frustrating, as there aren't many helpful resources online for guys to get helpful ideas and inspiration on doing (written only) explicit X rated dirty talk (for those women who like that type of thing).
When they say stuff like "That attempt was lame..." they are trying to get you to do something again. They are setting up a hoop for you to jump through to see how willing you are. Most guys will jump through a lot of hoops in order to get in a girls pants. It's your job to recognize this for what it is, and not jump through it. Then put up a hoop of your own.
Example: "That was a lame attempt...blah blah blah...try again."
You: "I'm bored. Tell me what you'd do to me if I was there with you?"
Dude forget the dirty talk for the most part and get her in person. The more dirty talk you do the longer it's going to take to get her in person. Tell her where she is going to meet you and when. Take control of the interaction.
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2) I mentioned this in another thread and will repeat it here. Where doing a recon profile of a lady is often talked about, I'd find it to be pointless, as you know how bad 99% of the messages will be. I'm much more interested in doing a recon profile of a HG10 guy (who'd be rated a 10 by most women and even men, in terms of his extremely good looks), as it'd be more interesting. Do you know (or know anyone who does) where I can get 4 or 5 good photos of a HG10 guy, as finding such photos is proving to be much harder than I thought. Not unless you know PUA
guys who are super good looking and have some very good photos up on their website.
You're right it typically doesn't do you any good to recon a girls profile. Most of the time it's pointless.
I'm not sure where you can get photos like that. I don't know anyone to refer you to presently for this.
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It wouldn't matter if the messages obtained from women under a recon HG10 guy's profile would be mostly lame, as I see several advantages to having such a profile up for months on end (whereas a recon profile of a HB9 - 10 chick is always short term). If the HG10 guy is getting messaged from much hotter women (and he definitely will be), he'll get messaged by some women under this recon profile, who are the types that normally keep their profile in 'invisible' mode (as there's some dating sites that give members this annoying option). A guy using a HG10 guy's recon profile can tell 'invisible' mode chicks (who don't appear when a guy is on the site under his own real profile), that being invisible strikes him as being a chicken and she'll need to make her profile visible for a while if she wants to get with you (so you can message her under your own real profile). A guy doesn't really have to do that, as a HG10 guy can get a hot chick's EMail address and then as his real self, a guy can EMail her to say the HG10 guy was a friend, who passed on her EMail address, as he got totally overwhelmed with messages. A guy doing that would of course have to create attraction, but with the info he would've obtained about the chick from his HG10's guy's profile, he'd at least have a foot in the door.
I can tell you are excited about this idea. I can tell you that being an attractive guy can make things a bit easier but there are many great looking guys I've helped with my dating coach biz. They don't have it as easy as you might think they do. You can still be yourself and get plenty of results.
I don't encourage anyone to be any different in "who they are" I just suggest different methods for going after the girl.
The other thing you need to realize is A.) you look the way you look and you can't really change that. Sure there is plastic surgery but that's extreme. B.) You are over thinking this process entirely. C.) How a HG10 gets women is not the same way we'll get them either. The process changes a bit.
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Under a HG10 guy's profile, a guy could also get away with probing hotter women and mindfucking them into answering very frank sexual questions that they wouldn't normally answer, if more average looking guys asked them the same questions. Then after he blows the same women off as the HG10 guy (after he's got enough info from them, since he could obviously never meet any women in person, from the HG10 fake guy's profile), he can use the info given to game them under his own real profile.
To weed out getting messaged by fatties and ugly chicks, a guy using a HG10 guy reocn profile could also set the profile up to be of a guy who knows he's hot and is very arrogant, so is the type who doesn't suffer fools gladly. Like he'd say in his profile something like : 'don't waste your time winking me, as I delete all winks and consider them totally useless. Message me only, offering several face and body photos of yourself and if you've a fat – overweight chick who's higher then a size 14 (any chicks who say they're a size 16 or higher, are going to be fatties), don't message me as you're wasting your time'.
I see your point about a good looking guys profile. I can see where they would have it easier in some ways and there are some advantages to that. But you can only live your own life. If you want to setup such a profile and pretend to be someone your not to learn then go ahead.
I would encourage you to learn to be more comfortable with who you are, develop your inner game, and get in the field,
I say many of these cocky things in my profiles anyways because I know I'm worth it. My friend it seems you need to start thinking of yourself as a HG10 and value yourself as the "prize" and not the women. Again, please stop overthinking this. The process to get the girls isn't that hard.
I'm sure there is some valuable information you can learn from setting up a profile like that. I think that it's a good idea. How you use that information is up to you. Perhaps you can write a post or a book about the experience.
I'm not going to take a lot of time to debate about it or play the "What if" game on this thread because we'd be here all day. I got your first question but I lost your second question in that blog about the HG10 guys profile.
CHAT
