I think you might be in the wrong forum, PUA is about hitting on women, not just hitting them.

Seriously though, slapping a girl would not work where I am from, in fact, the nearest bloke would probably see it and swing for you. Just my opinion, but this is going too far. Before you started studying game, would you have ever even dreamed about slapping a girl hard in the face?

I am fairly new to this, but from what i understand, Game is supposed to make us better and more confident, not more violent.

I think this whole thing has gone totally out of hand.

Violently hitting a woman is downright despicable.

Playfully slapping a girl, in a playful way, in a way she won't expect, if done with the right frame and in the right way, could be useful because it's unexpected and funny. IF YOU DO IT RIGHT. And if it is done right, it's going to seem playful, not violent.

Finally, on a separate note, it annoys me every time I see guys saying "OMG I won't do it because other guys might fuck me up"... grow a pair of fucking balls.

No, no . . . this is a very good survival instinct to have.

Ironically, it's always some "tried out boxing at the gym and I work out 3 times a week" idiot who always show off their "fighting balls." They do this because they have no idea what it feels like to compete and get their asses handed to them. They do this because they have never thrashed anybody in their lives so they have no idea how much real damage can be inflicted.

Get balls? I hope you only think this way while typing on an internet forum because if you go around with this attitude enough, you'll find yourself wearing dentures before you turn 30.

I've seen nationally ranked guys get THRASHED on a bad night . . . bad, bad, bad . . .

Bro,

I've done time in jail, I have two knife scars on my right arm, one on my left, last time I was in a fight was about a week ago.

Am I a huge motherfucker? No. 32 inch waist, 40 suit, 4pack abs, 35lb lateral lift, 180lb bench or so. I'm in decent shape, I'm a good fighter, my application to a semi-elite British Army regiment was approved. But forget all that.

I'm not trying to boast, I'm as survival-smart as the next guy... my point is: one of the main ideas of pickup is being the Alpha male.

Does the alpha male dog modify his behavior based on fear of other males? No. He's smart, but he does what he wants. And if the only reason you won't do something is because of your FEAR of other men, you're not a fucking Alpha. That's cool. It's ok being a beta. You're going to get a few girls, but eat it. If you operate based on your fears, your a beta. And I don't. I'm an Alpha. So if you keep your mentality, I'm superior to you. And that's the fact.

Great . . . You keep telling yourself that as you get your ass dragged back to jail or you're sitting in the hospital with a nurse holding your head and a night shift intern suturing your head. Your idea of "alpha" died out just about the time we moved out of the cave.

Learn the game.

Based on your "fight credentials" you'd get thrashed by most Div III non-ranking wrestlers. You'd get thrashed by a high school kid who hits his local boxing gym 5 days a week. Going overboard with your non-existing fight credentials + a few scars and having spent time in jail for shop lifting or whatever is the MOST beta thing you can do.

Being alpha means to SHOWCASE your strengths and neutralize threats where you're weak. The "fight" has very, very, very little to do with game. I'd think more about getting with the chicks and less about acts that will either land your ass back in jail or in the hospital with your 3rd scar.

It's interesting that after I state clearly I'm not trying to impress anyone, you still take it as if I'm trying to qualify myself to you.

As I say. Heart isn't about being able to win a fight or not. I win fights, I rarely lose them. But that isn't the point.

You're using ad-hominem attacks and hypotheticals while ignoring the facts. I have no need to attack you personally, I have nothing against you. Besides, based on the girl's txt msg you posted, you're NOWHERE near the master you may like to be. As long as your behavior is chosen based on your fears of other men, you're a beta. Be that.

Is it possible I'll get beaten up? Unlikely. Because a true Alpha isn't an asshole. He's a nice, happy, strong man, with a confident vibe, who somehow always seems to get the respect of the people around him.

The reason you shouldn't violently slap a girl is because it's fucking WRONG and it's LOW. It's not because the loser at the end of the bar, the guy who's inferior to me, it's not because he might beat me up. Never in years have I *not* done something I want to do because of fear of another man.

As long as fear of other men guides you, you're a beta male. If you want to be that, as you confirmed with your post, go ahead, there's nothing wrong with that.

Maybe you've never tried living free. Real confidence. Real alpha male. Try living for principles, not from fear. Try doing whatever you want. It feels good to know, as I know, that nothing a man or woman could say to me will ever change my frame. I am what I am. I'm happy with what I am. I'll do whatever the hell I want. And as it happens, what I want is never low-down, it's principled. I like beauty, I like to give a woman a good time. And I like to have sex with hot women. That's the deal. And if I feel like hitting on a girl, you're goddamn right I will, no matter who's around.

Seriously, man. Don't try to tell me about fighting (Krav Maga 2 yrs, Taekwondo Red Belt, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu 1 year), and don't try to tell me about how to survive. I've lived on my own since I was 15 years old, I've lived on the streets. Of course you'll take this to be me qualifying to you. You go ahead and think that. And meanwhile, you, the white collar professional (or mcDonald's cook, or nerd, whatever you are) who's probably been in the odd bar fight, can keep trying to tell me how to survive, and the idea of survival instincts. Survival is my specialty, baby.

Finally, I'm not here to argue, I'm here to help people and hear some valuable advice. If you want to keep here telling people to run their life by fear, go ahead. Meanwhile, I'll run my life by my own choices, surviving, as I have, incredibly successfully since I was 15 yrs old.

Come on . . . you don't find this funny at all? Go ahead and do it your way but you're writing in a forum filled with young kids. If you have all those scars, jail time, and you just had a fight in a bar last week, you're obviously doing something wrong. I think we both agree that the point of all of this is to AVOID fights, scars, and jails. Instead, we want to meet people, befriend them, and have fun. . . .right?

If you're doing something over, over, and over again with negative results, why do you continue the idiocy? On top of this, you continue to advertise your idiocy here. . .

You continue to qualify for yourself to the entire forum and then write, "but but but . . . I'm not qualifying to you really. Really I'm not."

I read your fight credentials again. Really. . . if that's all you have, for your own good, you'd want to shut up and work on your pick up routines. But you probably won't do this. Have fun with your next fight survival man.

I didn't say a bar fight, learn to read.

Living in your little office cubicle world, I suppose it's hard to comprehend the other kind of life many people lead. The kids who were born to underprivileged families who make their money selling weed and stealing cars. I don't do that, but that's my background, and if you live in the 'hood' you're going to be in a few fights. Big deal. Humans are animals, fighting is natural.

Pick up isn't about fighting. That's where I agree with you. If you walk into bars and have the bartenders giving you free drinks and asking you out, then you're doing something right.

Once again, you degrade yourself to referring to me as an idiot, et al. Speak for yourself. I lead a happy life, have a girlfriend, and have fun. Meanwhile you find nothing better to do but to theorize about refraining from things you want to do because you're afraid of the dude next to you, and wondering why women send you text msg's calling you an unkempt, sick, animal.

I'll go back to my pickup, you go back to your beta life. It's all good.

You're getting really sensitive. I'm not attacking you, yet you attack me. That's what insecure people do. Don't be insecure.

Your post consists of:

1. attempting to blur my fighting experience with my pickup experience... why not keep to facts, and refrain from twisting my words?

2. Claim I have negative results... I'll let the facts speak for themselves there.

3. Make more ad-hominem attacks.

4. "Accuse" me of qualifying.... I dunno, that just seems comical. Good luck trying that in real life, my man.

5. Critique my fight experience. Sooo we have a cubicle dummy criticizing a street kid/soldier's fighting experience. Cool, I really appreciate it.

Seriously, quit before you look yet more silly. Go back to your attempts at pick up, and go back to making sure all the other men you don't know approve of what you do. Who knows, they might beat you up, you better be careful.

Cheers.

Since flaming is forbidden, I won't be continuing this argument with you.

Be cool, I have nothing against you. Enjoy the game, thanks for your advice.

LOL Survival man,

How in the World can you type:
and then type all of this:
All in one page? You don't find this funny at all? Lol . . .

Come on . . . fighting is just wrong and you know it. Kids . . . avoid fights. one day you'll run into an insecure, have to prove it to your face type guy and there is just no winning situation here. You either take a trip to the police station, hospital, or both. You really don't need any of these things for vagina.

The first time someone brags about how tough they are or how much fighting prowess they posess you can automatically discredit them. I fight MMA out of T.T.T. but alot of people don't know that about me, want to know why? Because when you really get to the heart of combat its not about physically fighting at all, and any self respecting praticioner would know that. Theres only two situations where fighting is okay in my opinion, when a guy hits a girl and in self defense. Any other time its innaproprate and immature. Who cares how good anyone else is and who could kick whose ass? Theres always someone bigger and badder out there. And let all remember what Densel said in American Gangster "The loudest man in the room is the weakest." and thats the truth.

Agreed.

That sucks!

I got into this because I wanted to learn how to genuinely attract women, not assault them into liking me.

You may accuse me of having "weak inner game" or whatever, but I think its actually the opposite. I would never even want to hang out with any person that slaps people, much less be one.

I find this technique to be very small minded. Are you so desperate for validation that you're literally going to slap a girl in the face to try to get it?

"I'm going to slap this girl in the face and she'll hopefully think I am a bad ass."

You know another reason why this is stupid? There are countless men in the world who are outrageously successful with women, and I've never heard of a single one of them needing to slap a girl in the face.

If Raf says to slap the girl across the face, slap her across the face. Trust this guy, he's one of the few people on the forum who knows COMPLETELY what he is talking about. If it doesn't work, it's your own fault. I field-tested this without knowing it even before I saw this thread. And it did exactly what Raf described, even though I was just teasing/punishing her after she said Coltrane is for fags.

Not only that, but David D always repeats the message that there are no mistakes as long as you learn from them. By simply performing "The Slap", even if it doesn't succeed the way you wanted it to, you have improved your inner game by getting an understanding of how women react to unpredictable actions. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. This will finally make your balls drop.

Haha I'll start off by saying that "The Slap" is not advocating assault or wife-beating. Notice how Raf explained it as hard, but playful. This is NOT a slap meant to knock her over. Please don't seriously injure a woman with the intention of escalating kino. You want her in a bedroom, but not in a hospital bedroom.

The people who are willing to use this technique (which really isn't even a technique, but a simple gesture to increase playfulness whilst improving your confidence), will see that there is nothing immoral about slapping a woman playfully. Let me ask you a question. Do you believe in looking at the short-term, right in front of your face picture or are you willing to take a couple steps back to look at the entire scene from a higher vista? If so, then notice that the woman, if this slap ends up getting her into a relationship with a man of character, will be better off and much happier. Think about that. An entire beautiful relationship whose catalyst was a slap across the face that immediately set the relationship to a tone both parties enjoyed equally. Women love being led by strong men of authenticity, men with the balls to be themselves and to keep their power in the woman's interest, because they thoughtfully have realized that the woman will lose attraction if the man is not willing to wear the pants.

I'd also like to point out that not all men test out PUA routines and tricks for the simple purpose of validation. Not all men feel unfulfilled and unsatisfied. I am well-versed in Freudian and Jungian psychology and this says far more about yourself than it does about your beliefs on "The Slap".

I could go on, but I'm very bored. Walk in Peace brothas.