alright so i've got a problem that i don't know how to deal with. i have this girl and we're in the just friends zone. now, this isn't like all the other posts, i need a good way to get out of the friends zone.

i need some way for her to want to be out of the friends zone without me even mentioning it. I don't want to say, "hey lets not be friends anymore." i need her to see me no longer as a friend, but something more than that. we've been friends for years and i kissed her once a couple years ago, and yes there was plenty of comfort, but then we were just friends

if you think you guys have a way to get her to second guess this friendship and move it to something more, i'd like to hear it.

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i would guess that you should turn on the c/f hardcore and start throwing in sexual innuendos to show her whats up. but slowly not just all of a sudden...sooner or later she will get the hint but you may risk loosing a friend if it doesnt work for ya.

Umm, DHVs? Attraction building? Kino escalation? Ever heard any of these terms?

No, it's exactly the same. People in the friend zone are all convinced that their situation is different, somehow unique. It's not.

IT'S NOT.


The only way to get out of the friend zone is to give her 2 options... either you get together and be more than just friends, or you don't be friends at all. If you don't do this, you will be just another frustrated guy pretending to be happy with the relationship you have with her while you watch helplessly as other men get what you think you deserve. You will try to figure out how to make her see you as more than just a friend instead of taking real action because you're scared of losing her.

News flash. There are a couple of things women are extremely turned on by - men who don't give a shit what others think of them, and men who stand up or what they believe is right. A sincere willingness to walk away is exactly what you need to make her see how serious you are about her. Anything else just isn't gonna work because in her mind you'll still be her friend nomatter what. Take that away, however, and she has no choice but to really think about it. And hell, if you do walk away, and she doesn't come running after you, you avoid having to stay in that situation and can get on with your life.

Listen to me,

As long as you are in a situation where you still have the opportunity to build attraction and comfort, you still have a chance, IF YOU UNDERSTAND ATTRACTION MECHANISMS. Enough attraction+comfort building can plow through any girl's stated intentions or interests.

What does this mean? It means you have to stay in the pocket even if it means agreeing with the LJBF statement. Disqualifying statements are a powerful tool and will serve to disarm her, bringing her closer to you.

However, if you're playing the game right, you shouldn't be getting that LJBF statement in the first place. If you did get it, it probably means you gave a statement of intent, which is a big no no in most cases.

I agree with all the above, in particular being cocky funny and using lots of sexual innuendoes.

However my guess is you will have to do more then just use some smooth lines on her, you will have to DHV by seeing other women. This will either show her other women think you are worth dating or/and it will make her jealous.

Jealousy is very powerful! It would be my first choice in your situation.

Going from her normal friend to her now cocky funny, sexual innuendo-using friend probably isn't going to do it. Seriously, why would that work?

If you want her to date you, you have to become someone (or at least demonstrate the qualities of someone) she would want to date.

The question now is, "What kind of guy does she want to date?"

ANSWER: a man.

In my experience all you can expect is a one night thing, I have tried a couple of times to build attraction with friends. The best advice I can give that I have found is to show interest in her and talk honestly about your feelings or you end up with her feeling guilty for being attracted to you, who she thinks just wants to be friends. Wow that got complicated to write out lol

But if you really want to give it a go and potentially mess up the friendship, change your appearance slightly (I first heard about this in a Juggler vid but it works, a haircut will do wonders, in their mind you look different you are different), then build attraction as per usual as soon as you think they may be into you isolate and show interest. This will stop her thinking of you as a friend who she is suddenly attracted to.

Next is the real bread and butter of the interaction, at this point just be completely honest, the following 2 minutes will make or break the relationship. It will either go well or not so well but you will probably get some kudos for honesty and so the friendship should be fine.

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ya and i've tried them, i'm not AFC. the stuff just doesn't work with her, but i think it's because we've been friends so fuckin long.

anyway i'm just gonna say fuck it and stay friends with her and game elsewhere.

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Anyone can give up. It's the easiest thing in the world. To hold it together as you walk through this hell, when everyone else would understand if you fell to your demons, that is true strength.

No no no . . . YOU ARE an AFC NOW. (AFC is not an identity. It's just a habit that you can break) Stop being a stubborn fool, admit to yourself you have no game and start improving. What you're doing is CLASSIC afc.

You have a friend. So you want to fuck her because you think that you don't need to "approach" her any more. You already know her. You think she's "comfortable" with you because you're comfortable with her. So you think you have everything built up but the sex. So you think all you need to do is turn that switch on and that's it . . . wrong. Girls don't work this way. Typically, they don't fuck friends. As a guy, you'd fuck your mother's friend if she was hot enough. . . right?

"The stuff doesn't work on her." Ha ha ha . . . right, it works on every girl in your school but it doesn't work on your super robo-girl. Dude, wake up.

Read more. Based on what you wrote, you know very little. Improve your game . .. then get out there. Your "female friend" can be a valuable figure in your game. Start running it. When you obtain some success, that's when even this one will think, "He's having sex with all these girls . . . why not me??"

alright dude first off, i didn't write the whole situation down. i just wrote a quick little post to let you know what i needed, i just wanted advice to get out of the friends zone. I can understand why you think i'm afc and i am somewhat new to the game and i am here to improve, but i know what i'm doing.

The shit doesn't work on her because i've been using a lot of this stuff for the last two years and she takes it as friendly joking now. i'm cocky/funny, i throw in sexual innuendos, she tries to hook me up with her friends every once in a while, i've even used her as a wingwoman once or twice, and she knows that i date other woman. i was just looking for new material, that's the only reason i started the topic.

i know you're trying to give you're proffesional opinion but this is the wrong situation for that advice. that's partly my fault for not giving all the details

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Anyone can give up. It's the easiest thing in the world. To hold it together as you walk through this hell, when everyone else would understand if you fell to your demons, that is true strength.

Really . . . and you've been doing your "cocky funny" and sexual innuendo's with all the other girls and it's been working out just great? With all that pussy you're dipping, I guess you've figured out that your "female friend" truly is the love of your life?

Look, I really want you to score . .

"New Material" is what 90% posters here look for.

"Hey, what can I tell this hb so she'll make out with me? . . . .What can I tell this hb so she'll like me?"

Your search for "new material" pretty much demonstrates where you are right now. Your "detailed explanation" only fortifies my suspicions of where you are right now. I offered you solid advice. There's nothing wrong with getting better. There's nothing wrong with scoring.

If your female friend is pawning you off to others, she views you as a harmless eunuch. She's saying, "Shit . . . you're a nice guy but you need help . . ." Do you think some "new material" will really help here? Read up, figure this out, and get out there so that she feels she needs to "protect" you against those hussies who are drooling all over you. Or you can be her guy friend for many more years trying out new material on her. Up to you.

you still don't understand where i'm coming from kasabi. thanks for your advice, i know i can use it later, but it's not what i'm looking for with this girl.

My entire personality is cocky funny, i do it to everyone, and it does work. i'm here to learn, and i can deal with critisism. like to hear what you think but this is more a case of oneitis than anything. i wanted to score, but now it's like if i don't, it doesn't really matter. if i get the chance, i'll take it. if not, no problem.

thanks for your help and i'll work on my game

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Anyone can give up. It's the easiest thing in the world. To hold it together as you walk through this hell, when everyone else would understand if you fell to your demons, that is true strength.

All of the other guys have great tips. One small note of particular interest to me is her statement of hooking you up with her friends. Always accept the offers and go out with her friends, seduce them, be great in bed, a good fuck is heard around the world. Spike her curiousity and jealousy.

Women want a man that is viewed as a desirable mate by other women, especially those in her network of friends. The only real way to leave the friend zone is to indirectly raise your value to a much higher level in her eyes than it is now. Having fun with her friends may be a positive step in the right direction.

Peace