yeah so im under 21 so I have been doin mostly day game allot but Ive run into a brick wall!! I can usually open fine but then I feel like I just start having a conversation with her instead of attracting her. this ends up getting me no where. So when I ask her for her number, even if she is giving me tons of IOI's, i get shot down every time. FRUSTRATING!! its to the point where im now getting approach anxiety for the simple fact that once I open I don't know how to proceed correctly. i usually do dhv stories and I try qualification but I am still confused on how exactly to execute proper qualification. Help please!!! not just on qualification on anything that seems like it might be the problem.

Your going to have to get her out of the day game to get far. At the moment i think number closing would be best. Its hard to kiss close in a mall.

after you get her number wait a day or 2 and invite her to come to the city at around 5-ish to run some errands and youd like some company. Get things going with neggs, walk into a book store and go to the "self improvement" section and pick out books that she needs improving on (Negg).

Take her back home later but on the way go through a car wash (chicks dig the car wash) and say

You: ever made out in a carwash?
HB: Ha, no!
You: theres a first for everything
Kiss close

or

You: ever made out in a car wash?
HB: yes actually!
You: your going to have to teach me how then
Kiss close

Hope it helped.

I think you missed the part where I get shot down when I go for the number close. U under estimate my AFCness when it comes to day game.

ok well ill be a little more specific on one thing ive helped my brother with.
We were in a clothing store and i asked my brother to field test a routine.
So he goes up to her a says

Bro: Nice dress, i presume yellow is your favorite colour then?
HB: Why yes it is
Bro: You know they have like personality tests for shit like that?
HB: oh really?
Bro: yeah just by looking at you i probably know stuff about you that you dont
HB: oh, like what?
Bro: ever heard of the 4 secret questions originated in japan?
HB: No

Then i just got him to run the 4 secret questions routine. I find that other forms of cold reading do best in day game but only do it in coffee shops or juice bars that way you know that theyre not in a hurry and you have time to run your entire routine. If your doing it in malls mabye the reason your getting shut down is that they need to be somewhere or get some running around done.

You: it was very nice talking to you, we should do it again sometime
then give her your phone with her name already in it, so all she needs to do is write her number in. if youve just given her your phone instead of asking for her number it would be harder for her to simply reject it.

thanks I have done lots of cold reads but havn't tried many routines I guess I should learn and read some good ones do you have any other routines you think I should look into for day game?

Yeah sure ill post them now, i suggest you save any useful cold reads you have because they can get long and difficult to remember. But once you've memorized them they can be your greatest asset since you can mix in jokes or neggs before or after every cold read (Never While Doing It as most of the time it makes things harder rather than helping).

Finger length
PUA: Hmm let me see your hand….interesting.
When the ring finger is longer than the index finger, it means you had a lot of testosterone in your system when you were developing. You tend to be more assertive and aggressive person. You go after things and take what you want. I can totally see that.

[or if her index finger is longer than the ring finger]
When the index finger is longer than the ring finger, it means you had a lot of estrogen in your system when you were developing. It tends to make you more girly and feminine. You probably like pink and had an easy bake oven. You’ll make a good mom.

HB: How do you know this?
PUA: I read this in some psychology magazine.

If the finger length doesn’t match her personality, tease her:

[long index finger, but bad girl image]
You have this tough exterior, but I know you’re just pretending. Inside you’re a sweet butterfly. Don’t worry, your secret is safe with me. [wink and kino]

[long ring finger, but good girl image]
You have this good girl exterior, but I can see that on the inside you’re actually pretty adventurous aren’t you? People probably normally don’t think that about you, but you have a assertive side.

Handshake cold read
PUA: You know, guys can tell a lot about a woman from the way she shakes her hand.
HB: Well, what can you tell about me?
PUA: Well, just from that handshake I can tell that…
[different cold reads possible]
Insecure…if you are, you will seem to be trying to hard to get my approval. I’ll bet that you are generally secure in terms of knowing who you are, but sometimes you find yourself in situations that make you feel unsure of yourself.

Judgmental in evaluating a guy…I noticed from the way you looked at your friend when talking to me that you were making judgments about the way I’m acting and behaving.

Happy… you seem genuinely pleased to meet new people and have an aptitude of “Who knows what doors might open?” I’ll bet that you are a generally happy person. You might have your ups and downs, but you seem genuinely open and pleased to meet me.


Ring Routine
Notice a gleam of metal on her fingers (a ring) and ask:
PUA: I have to ask before I go with my friends. Why did you chose to wear that ring on that particular finger?
HB: …
PUA: Interesting…..do you always wear those rings on the same fingers?
[Most of the time they were one or two fingers but in the same fingers , because is the finger where the ring fits.]

Option one: (if she is wearing a ring.)

PUA: I have a friend named Nicole who is the spiritual type of girl and she was telling me that the finger you choose to wear your rings on says something about your personality.

Option two: (If she isn’t wearing any rings.)

PUA: I notice you aren’t wearing any rings, that’s unusual for a woman (neg).
HB: Oh that’s because...
PUA: Okay so when you use any ring in which finger would you use it?
HB: …
PUA: Oh...I have a friend named Nicole...


“Each one of these mounds (the pads on the palm where the finger joins the hand) is represented by a different god and in Greek culture you wear a ring on that finger to praise that particular god, to pay homage to that particular god.

For example the thumb represents POSEIDON (Neptune) which as you will know is the god of the sea and he was very independent. He was the only god that didn’t live on mount Olympus, he did his own thing. And the thumb kind of sticks out, it kind of does its own thing. People that wear thumb rings are therefore very individual and independent and generally do their own thing. They don’t follow trends preferring instead to set their own.

The index finger is represented by ZEUS (Jupiter) Zeus was the king of all gods, and the God of Thunder and Lightning. That’s a very dominant finger, and having a ring there means you tend to be a more dominant person. Wave your index finger at them like “no no no” or “don’t do that”. It represents power and immense energy.

Your middle finger is represented by DIONYSUS (Bacchus) which is the god of wine and partying and is a very irreverent god – So if you have a ring there you tend to do what ever you want and are less sensitive about what others think. You then lift your middle finger up on its own and give the bird and say “its like fuck you to the world”. When they are wearing a ring they always laugh at this remark.

Your ring finger is of course represented by APHRODITE (Venus). She is the goddess of love and that is why we wear our wedding rings on that finger. You can give all sorts of “you are looking for romance” type lines “when you fall for someone you tend to fall completely for them” type lines. You can add that interestingly it’s the only finger that has a vein that goes straight to your heart without branching of and so putting a ring on that finger is actually making a direct connection with your heart. If she is comfortable you Kino from her finger up her arm.

The pinky is represented by ARES (Mars) who is the God of war and that’s why you see mobsters wearing pinky rings, it’s a kinda like hidden violence. It represents conflict so if she is wearing one say “did you buy that yourself or did someone give it to you?”. So if she bought it herself it means she is kind of at war with herself, she has some inner conflict, maybe an emotional conflict or something she is not comfortable with herself about. If she was given it then ask by whom and make up some conflict line about having some tension which may be below the surface between the two of you, some unresolved problem that you just haven’t solved etc.

If she has a ring on her wedding finger say:
PUA: Is that an engagement ring or do you just wear that to keep the womanizers away?

And theres a post about something called "The cube" which is said to be the best cold read thought of in the "Routines" section of the forum. Its stickied and right at the top so you dont need to search for it.

Hope it helps man,

- Rushy

Ok, to make her give you her number. You have to make a reason to see her again. It also means that the risk of flake is less. To find that reason, Yes, you need to get into a conversation, and whilst chatting you have to lead it. You need to elicit information from her then use that information to find commonalities. exampples being: A new film, a great bar, a museum exhibition, an activity (sports, dancing) and so on.

Once you have the shared interest. Don't say "Give me you number" say "Whats the best way to get in touch so we can organise it?" If she says number. Give her your phone and let HER enter the name and number. Then call her phone from yours. Asking for a number from a guy she's maybe met for 5 mins is high risk to her. How will she explain to her friends? The whole ASD kicks in.

You can DHV to hell, but sometimes it comes across as at worst a) ego-centric or b) bragging. Same for trying for qualification to early. She's possibly thinking "This guy's challenging me? We hardly know each other, who is he to test me?" And that's because you have to gain rapport first. Which I suspect you aren't doing.

Day Game is a different skill. I like this video from Adams site. It shows you have to be low pressure, and find a commonality before going for the number. In this case Mexican food.

http://www.attractionexplained.com/Tutorial_6.html

Did that make any sense?

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definitely! see I usually do make a point to find common interests but I didn't think of this as a way to kinda link the day two. come to think about it I did once but she turned me down saying that she had a jealous boyfriend. heres how it went.

we were on the bus I sit in front of her and open with a situational opener.
YoungCas: that looks like an interesting book. whats it about?( Im thinking kinda a week opener but she was reading and I had to cum up with a way of interrupting her reading without coming of as intrusive or distracting.
HB8: its a non fiction memoir... blah blah
YoungCas: Im more of a novel kinda guy.
HB8: really what good books have you read lately?
(irrelevant chatter about good books of which at the end I interrupt her with a cold read)
Young Cas: You come off as a super sweet girl that would give the shirt off her shoulders to a friend in need.
HB8: (laughing and smiling with dazling blue eyes really locked into mine) do I really? its funny you said that Im actually on my way to this meeting about helping homeless people.
here we start talking about homeless people.
later in the convo I start a sad attempt to qualify.
YoungCas: Im really into sports and competition are you athletic?
HB8: yeah in highschool I played soccer.
YoungCas: really how did you like it?
HB8: It was alright our team was good but I didn't play much.
YoungCas: its funny in highschool I played football and the football team used to call the soccer players field or lawn ferries. yeah I know we were mean. So what else do you play?
HB8: umm I snowboard does that count?
YoungCas: really me too but for recreation its not too competitive though unless u like race, and I bet I'd leave you in my snow shredded dust.
HB8: really well we'd have to see about that.
this is when my stop was comming so I tried to use this as a real time constraint to number close which I think I went about it wrong according to what you said.
YoungCas: Yeah but my stop is comming up so you should give me your number so we could meet up and snowboard or even go to some coffee shop and discuss books and homeless people.
HB8: laughing and actually blushing she declines saying she has this really jealous boyfriend.
YoungCas: (looking kinda bummed) well that sucks but it sounds like a worse situation for you rather than me
HB8: actually its not so bad... but bye nice talking to you....
WHAMP... WHAMP..... WHAAAMMMMMP......

can you tell me where I went wrong it seems like she was just saying she had a boyfriend so she didn't have to feel like a bitch for declining my perfectly good offer. one thing that gives me this indication is the fact that she said having a super jealous boyfriend "is not so bad"
the only thing I can come up with is like what you said I shouldn't have asked for her number directly. do you think that would have made the difference??????

IMO what you did was pretty good. The only thing I can suggest is that you didn't nail down the reason. You said "...so we can A or B or C or D"

It sounds a little desperate. i.e You would do anything she wanted to see her again. Maybe better to choose one and say "Hey, me and some friends are going Snowboarding next Saturday afternoon (adjust as req ) You should come along, bring some friends" if she agrees THEN go for the contact details.

As I've mentioned elsewhere. Day Game requires a Day 2 to be low pressure. It's kind of on the Day 2 that you set up a more concrete/romantic Date/Day 3.

As for the BF angle, it could be true. Your faced with a couple of options. destroy him (Not my style) or Ask about the relationship. How long together?, what brought you together? etc but obviously you were on a time constraint, so not really available. I'll add for reference that Jealous BFs tend to be the preserve of Low Self Esteem girls (LSE) as most happy go lucky girls won't tolerate excessive jealousy/controlling from a BF.

Other than those little details, it seems to me you did OK. Not every conversation will turn into a N/K/F close. That's just life. And I guess you use this bus route frequently so you may chance into her again. (dont get stalking though ) So you've done a reasonable job of setting up a future interaction if the situation arises.

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I need to get back in here and watch that video from adam's site. I'm having a lot of trouble day gaming. Going out in a little while to try my hand again.