I checked out some sarging video's on bristol lair.com and the guy was fucking pathetic. Every girl would be appraoched the same opener, (who lies more man or women, he would sympathise with the girls), same routine and same escalation.

I mean the guy is living a lie in order to get attention from girls withought closing. I mean common if u have to lie all the time to get asome positive raections from girls u are week man and have no game.

: That shit made me change my mind about the whole pua SHIT.

cheers

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well, of course there is stuff out there that we all don't have to neccesarily like or agree with. I think PUA is not a closed book or a rock-solid thing, you can adapt the techniques to your personality, style, etc.

You comments sounds a bit like "there is this bad priest, I guess the whole priesthood is complete crap".


take it easy bro.

haha snow i agree. that guy did rely sort of heavily on those routines....but at the same time i admire the fact that he was so thorough and provided such good examples of how to use that specific routine and what all you can expect to come from using it. all in all i think it was good to watch just for the experience. personally i have never used canned openers or stories, but its good to watch others in action, and to see how these canned openeres work.

and he needs to shave....seriously....otherwise he did well, and was really persistent which i think is admirable.

-Mad

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Snow,

I have not seen the video yet, but don't let someones lies bother you about the community. I have never lied during a set and I don't plan on it. Having to lie to pick up a girl is weak sauce and shows that the guy must not have enough game if he has to trick girls.

orion is absolutely right, to lie is just plain wrong and shows you have no weapons to win the battle rightfully. Besides, when a girl catches you lying is a terrible thing, they hate the stuff.

cheers.

To cop a quote from Style, "It's not lying. It's flirting."

Canned openers can work wonders for newbies, and they can cripple you if you rely to heavilly on them. Let's face it; some guys just don't have the game they need to keep girls interested right off the bat. They need help, and canned openers can do that for them. Canned routines work the same way. In his "Moving Target" video, he manages to keep a good conversation going without relying too heavilly on routines. The only time a routine comes up is to re-start the conversation if it's failing.

And let's take a really critical look at routines for a moment.

The best routines are those that are taken directly from your life. Take a look at this essay for a method of building good routines that are taken from your life, if that's more your cuppa.

I've got nothing against canned routines and openers. I'm more likely to build a converstaion with a girl the same way I would any other conversation. But if it starts to grind down, and the energy is lagging, and I'm not at a point where I'm comfortable closing, I'll toss out my personalized Magic Spells (involving my homosexual brother), or ask her what her favorite dinosaur is, or I'll run the CUBE or S.Fields. It'll get the conversation going again, until we can think of more interesting things to say.

It's not lying. It's flirting.

You see, the game we play is called a game because that is what it is. Each game has its own set of rules and recommended ways to play, but each player can play it differently. If everyone who played basketball played the exact same, it would be freaking boring.

There are many aspects of the game that different people are opposed to different reasons. What do they do? They change the game according to their own style. No one says that you HAVE to lie to become a PUA. How you play is your decision.

I think I've heard (or read -- dont rememebr) one of Mystery's lessons that explained the importance of using yourself and your experiences to your favor. The reason? Because it is way more genuine than a canned opener and doesn't need to be practiced for congruency. If some of you are worried about the thought of lying in order to successfully PU, make up some of your own material. I spent the last month in Asia and I already have new stories and other funny things to say.

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So you have changed you view on PUA because of that canned opener?
Do not like lying?

Look at a woman do you like her shoes and want to buy it for your sister.

Walk up to the lady
"My sister, really is a fashion godess and I try my best to get her what she will like, I saw those shoes and that is what my classy sister would want".......

If you truly like a woman you will always have something to start a conversation with her.
If not canned openers gives your subconcious time to view an opening with out getting freaked out about thinking over the opening.

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Hey,

Canned openers are a two way srteet. On the one handside, u tend to have the security of knowing what to say and following up from there. On the other side u can't really make the girl like u for u. Far example what if some other dude used that exact line on her before, u will look like a prick. I think indiviualism is very important and if you are an interesting person and has something to offer- than prelearned stories is something u don't have to depend on when getting different types of close's.
But to answer your question, I don't like lying and try to never to do.
And i havent changed my mind of PUA's ist just that u gotta decide for yourself what u want not only while chasing girls,but in life.


Thanks guys for your honest opinions.


Cheers

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On the other side u can't really make the girl like u for u.

You are over analysing things, all you want to do is talk to her, if a canned opener can start a conversation so be it, it is unlikely that a lady will like or dislike you because of the opener, if so I would not get shit.

I think indiviualism is very important and if you are an interesting person and has something to offer- than prelearned stories is something u don't have to depend on when getting different types of close's.

Well some people need to go thru a 100 approaches before realising that, but rather a hundred approaches than having an epiphany eureka moment infront of a screen.

But to answer your question, I don't like lying and try to never to do.
I like lying very invigorating mental excercise.


And i havent changed my mind of PUA's ist just that u gotta decide for yourself what u want not only while chasing girls,but in life.

Oh blimey.

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Hey

Listen the deal with my post was this: I thought if u have to lie (AND I DONT MEAN OPENER'S) and think up false stories to handle your routines, patterns, and frames ect... and basically run around like some prick telling people shit, and the same shit over and over again. U are practically speaking a pretty boring person with no personal life stories or ideas that u can identify with.

AND to Smellybrand or whatever ur name is:

Thanks for your real precise analysis of my post, u remind me of a shrink.


If you like lying than your whole post is probably bullshit since its made up and the part where I wrote about life is just for people like u who think they have it all figured out....

Oh yah one more thing- oh blimey???
Who the fuck taught u that expression u tell that to girls too: ahahahahahahahaah

And me personally: pretty much getting laid - I’l post some picks up next time cuz…

I’m out

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