Been in the game for 3-4 years now...

I've seen a certain pattern in this community of pick up artists. Newbie finds the community. Newbie thinks community has all the answers. Newbie becomes a knowledge fiend for a couple months. He devours knowledge and all the hyped up marketing Pick Up Gurus put up. He read all the ebooks, watchs all the dvds, and even listens to all the audio. Then after a while goes into the field and Newbie become mediocre PUA. A couple years later PUA realize that the game is just a faze and something to do when he's young. PUA leaves game. He realizes that most of what he learning is all approval seeking towards women (same as AFC). PUA finally drops some of his game and become a Real Man. The Real Man goes out into the world self validated. His main objective is to have his dreams and goals come true. Women see this...he doesn't have to use much game after that because his life is already set up. The Real man opens his eyes and wakes from the illusion to go out to the real world.

Nice post.

Every AFC must realise one thing. The purpose of a game is helping AFC`s to emulate behaviour and succes of "real players" or so called "naturals". This is shortcut which can help but HB will ALWAYS choose "real man", a man who is well built, who has good job, nice vehicle, great house or a condo, nice, expencive clothes etc.

To become really great seducer (a master) is a thing which will succeed maybe 0,5% of all AFC`s which enter the game. This sounds cruel but that`s how it is. My advice is: BECOME A REAL PLAYER". How to do that?

Instead of spending few years trying to read every peace of shit that all the "guru`s" wrote in last 10 years use your precious time for real education which will help U to find a great job which will then help U to buy all mentioned things (car, clothes, condo....). Go to gym, work out hard (which will make U more attractive - sitting all day in front of PC or working out in the gym). Go to some martial arts club! Why AMOGing other guys with words when U can do it simply by your presence and self confidence which will shine out of U after only few months of kickboxing training.

Don`t spend few years trying to emulate Alpha male behaviour - use the time to BECOME Alpha male!!

Think for a second, what is more attractive to HB`s, a "real player" or some pathetich emulating wannabe?

Choose your path guys!

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well i think u guyz misunderstood what the game is for us starters.
for me at least the game is what i do as a hobby.
before thet i would sit befor a computer for hours coding or much worse chatting. i had no reason to go out.
now instead of spending my few free time in fron tof a screen i have a good reason to improve myself in any way possible.

now u say that we are trying to mimic those "gurus"
i dont see them like that. i see them as people giving some ADVICE(and not rules) on how to be a better man(not only a better PUA).

I ll give some examples: Mystery sais "be the leader of the tribe"
well before reading-listening to that i was a follower, knew that, and even worse didnt do anything to change it. Is someone with that attitude more suucessful than someone who folows the above advice?of cource the latter.

DeAngelo said "be cocky and funny"
that is obvious. To get success u have to be social. to be social u have to make people comfortable around u. to do that the best way is to entertain them and make them laugh. and all this must be done without being seen as a clown or sth.

all these are obvios in every mind. but few actually put them into action. having someone instruct them to you makes this stuff official. U want to use it, it was in ur brain fromthe first place, u just didnt know.

now u might say that routines are what u mean.
i say everyone uses routine, they just dont call it that way, the dont have a name for it.
take the cube routine for example.
using it doesnt make u a pua. actually i played such games with friends years before i entered the society.

so dont get fooled by the fancy names we give to this stuff...this is nothing more than a healthy hobby. the problem is when somebody becomes obsessed with this stuff and looses himself in it. That makes no difference though. think of computers for example: a healthy and educational hobby. What about when somebody becomes obsessed. he doesnt go away from the screen whatsoever. Not healthy anymore, no?(i used to be that guy )

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~VEE

You have a point to a degree! But not every one is in the enviable position of having goals & direction. So does this mean they won't be successful with women?

I get your point! But we all have to start somewhere, and this forum is perfect!

i think what he's tryin to point out stonecutter, is women are only a small part of our life.

only learnin to be succseful with women is learnin only how to be succsesful in one aspect of our life.

when ur younger women are probali more prominent, but if we focus on other aspects too then we are setting ourselves up for greater things in the future.

i definatly feel what you are saying VEE its something i'v been thinkin alot about recently more an more people on this forum, monkey, impact, methuselah, romeo, xfman, are havin similar thoughts, about been a better PUA but improving yourself at the same time. good post.

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I'm new to this forum but not the game.

Anyway yes, i agree with this post.

Most guys read this stuff over and over again just to compensate for their low self-esteem.

"If i learn this killer line and killer technique, every girl will be mine"

Society has seriously brainwashed them.
They seem to forget that getting a girl should be the most natural thing in the world.

We were designed as men but conformed by society to be AFC's who dare not touch a girl incase he's "invading her space."

No line or technique will get you back to that animalistic nature you have.

It'll just make your trailer look better than your film
(you know, the trailer looks great, you have all the great lines and techniques, but when you see the film- it sucks. ur boring deep down. There's nothing about you to keep the interest.)

So getting that inner game sorted first, and adding these techniques to truly communicate your identity- thats the real idea of all this.

In my opinion anyway

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I agree with everyone's post. A lot of guys that first join the PUA community get really into it and then start taking away time from other things in their life that makes them different or unique. I remember watching one of the videos where Styles was saying that people start to learn pick up and then start to drop out of school or take a year off to learn the skill.

Now I'm thinking that a lot of the guys that are learning to become PUA's and reading up on the material are doing it because it's a skill or an asset that they would like to install in themselves. Everyone joins for different reasons, either it be becoming more social with the ladies, tired of being used by HB's or whatever reason it is.

This forum is a good start just like how Stonecutter said. It opens your eyes to what's really going on around you and helps you become a better person. Also allows you to make better decisions and have fun in life cause that's what really matters!!!!

So to finish off this post, here's a quote by Henry Moore..

"One never knows what each day is going to bring. The important thing is to be open and ready for it. "

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Our lives are not determined by what happens to us but by how we react to what happens, not by what life brings to us, but by the attitude we bring to life. A positive attitude causes a chain reaction of positive thoughts, events, and outcomes.

I do, to an extent agree that in every aspect of your life you should work to improve yourself. Make yourself better.
But I also think that what the game actually can be defined as is warped and inconsistent.
For me. This whole 'game' business is not about being in a 'PUA club' or anything like that. It is not being a part of something. It is about recognising the meaning behind the situations we partake in in our everyday lives.
Also I disagree with the statement that women are only a small part of life. After all. If you become successful in life and buy yourself all the expenisive and exquisite 'show-off' luxuries then you are attempting to communicate with everyone else that you are successful so they will respect you. Half of these people are women.
Ok I am rambling now. Point is.
Woman are a BIG part of life. The goal of most peoples lives are to find a lovely woman to get married to and start a family with. Tell me that isn't a big part of life! Others will go out with a different one each night of the week, THAT IS A BIG PART OF LIFE!
And the poor AFC sits at home beating off to lesbian porn for the third year in a row wishing he could feel the touch of a woman. Do I see a pattern?
It is in our nature to desire women.
You earn money to buy the objects in this world that give us pleasure and satisfaction and luxury.
You learn and practice picking up because you want to obtain the intangible 'currency' required to make the best 'purchase' you can.

I hope the metaphors were not too confusing. Slap me if they are.

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I'm going to keep mine simple. The initial post seemed to be trying to start a flame war.

For myself: If nothing else, my introduction to the community has helped me stop being used and abused by women who just want to by my friend. No longer will I fall sucker to "can you buy me this?" or "can you drive me here?"

For the Newbies: The routines are there as a temporary crutch. Eventually you'll be able to walk on your own. But you know what? They work. The key: Get out of your house and practice. As often as you can.

For those who consider themselves Pros: You have already internalised most of this stuff. You no longer need routines, but if a routine helps an AFC get out there and TALK TO WOMEN, then it works. Don't discourage because you've transcended.

- Dex

Truly said by Giacomo and Dex!!!! Good points put out.... Like Giacomo said, its all about what you want in life. Some people will want a new car or something materialistic so what they do is anything they need to do to make the money to pay the price. But, if you want to be able to socialize and get good with the girls, then you will need knowledge of how to make it interesting for both of you.

Which leads me to Dex's point. I guess through evolution, women tend to figure out the pattern where guys are willing do things to please a women. Either from getting drinks or getting a ride and in your head, your probably thinking that this chick likes me but in her head, she's like he's a very good friend. Which leads to disappointment in the guys head, but as men we have too much pride to admit these type of situations so we keep it in and then keep on doing the samething over and over.

Then we discover PUA and what grabs the attention of most guys is that the situations that every guy faces in here are what most of us go through. So to improve, lets start to pay our dues and learn up on this so we could get out there and be able to recognize moments where we could build up our value. If we mess up in running a line or opening a set, then fuck it!!! Post that story on here so we can help in breaking it apart and improving how things should have been done and make sure to post details even though you know what you did was wrong. That's why it's sometimes better to fail and learn from it then opening an easy set. So no slaps for Giacomo, I'll give you a high-five for your metaphors and Dex, post nicelly put.

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Our lives are not determined by what happens to us but by how we react to what happens, not by what life brings to us, but by the attitude we bring to life. A positive attitude causes a chain reaction of positive thoughts, events, and outcomes.

I did have the misconception that it was the 95% "act & personality".
I now see it is better to spend 95% time on becoming the obvious success, where from the personality exudes with ease.

Giac and Dex - nice.

Not much I can add to those really. It doesn't matter if you don't come out of this whole thing as a 'PUA', if you come out with bit more knowledge about life and how society works, then you've gained something. I think the people who will have the least amount of success are the ones who are hellbent on becoming a glorified 'PUA'.

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READ THIS AGAIN ALL YOU NEWBIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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you know what you are correct!!!!!!! even tho im new to this i already know whats the deal. What i have gain was confidence tho. What i relize is i was spenting to much time trying to be one and you know what i got my own life to deal with and girls find that the most attracted about a man. Life, Goal setting and success. WAKE UP !!!!!!

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I'm glad this post came up as it goes right along with something I've been thinking about a lot lately. The evolution from being a PUA and becoming a natural. I've been in the Game for a little over a year and just recently began to notice this in myself, and I'm getting the impression others have been there as well. Sure, it all started with discovering the community, reading and interlizing e-books like MM and DJ bootcamps. Luckily, I was never one of those people that let pickups comsume my life but I still got good at it. Then one day I stumbled upon The Juggler method and began to follow it pretty extensively. It became the next step for me. Routines were no more for me, no games, no magic. It became, for me, a system of conversation and rewards for spending time around me. After doing so for a few months, I noticed more and more that I've begun to cherry pick from different methods without even thinking about. I come here and other forums still as a reminder of what I want, but in general I don't think much about pickup and I don't think during my interactions that I need to remember what happened so I can run home and make a FR. Things flow more naturally now with no method for me. I open with negs sometimes and sometimes I just open with "Hi, my name is Van Haven. What's your's?".

After more than a year I've come to see that there is a natural within each of us and it just takes time and dedication to see and become it. Tony Romo is a natural born athlete, but he had to learn to play football still and harness his ability to throw the ball. Works the same way in OUR sport.