Hey i've been another AFC right and at least with starting a conversation i could do that now i want to be a PUA but to start you need a good grip on openers but are they really necessary? I tried that today using the new opener techniques and I made less approaches than i normally do? Mind you i don't have much time to go out these days so im working on day game. I've heard i may be able to use situational openers but i thought openers were questions. SO is it really necessary for this.

All ive used is situational openers. It seems more genuine and alot less dumb. But i have noticed that just a Hi seems to do a job just as well as a opener in certain situations. But they are useful!

Thats what i'm saying it seems hi just gets the job done anyone else think openers are neccesary?

Seeing that anything you say to the girl when you first approach her is considered an opener, I say its necessary.

I'm starting out, so AFC too, and reading Magic Bullets. "Hi" is considered a risky type of opener, in that she'll be wondering why you're taking to her. Versus opinion opener, will get her to interact with you.

The main purpose of an opener, is to obviously start a conversation... but the point of openers is that they seperate you from every other guy that has approached her.

The beauty of the opener shows that your not just trying to get her number or somethin, it seems like u could have asked anyone and she happened to be there.

Hopefully this helps...

peace

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To answer your question... No, openers are not really necessary. It is necessary to open though. Without getting into a conversation you are lost.
Well, there are many ways to open. Sometimes when I have gone peacocking I had sets open me. Sometimes I open situational sometimes canned and sometimes you just start talking.
The openers is a tool people use to get into conversations. It is useful since it works well if you know how to use it. In the beginning of your game (rAFC, green PUAs) you need openers to get your skills built up. But as you progress you realize that you can open naturally, you just need enough inner game. If you can open without openers, go for it man. It is a gift!

Ezo

Hey man, Ezo pretty much summed it up for you there but just to give my 2 cents, Openers aren't necessary. The point of openers is simply to start a conversation with a girl. They're not intended to demonstrate value or build interest etc. They just open the set after which you transition into attraction and comfort building.

If you are already capable of opening sets well without scripted openers then don't use them. It'll only do damage by making you overthink something you can already do naturally.

Just open as you've always done, then transition (you can read how to do this in any MM based book but I'd recommend Magic Bullets) into your mid-game material.

So many people make the mistake, particularly when starting off, of taking Mystery Method (or other forms of game) as being set in stone. You have to remember that they're just guidelines. If you can already naturally achieve part of it don't feel like you have to change what you're doing (thus making it less effective) or else it won't work with the rest of the method's stuff. All the techniques in the different linear models of pick-up are designed to achieve a certain goal (openers to open, DHV stories and playful routines, amongst other things, to build attraction). But they are just techniques that CAN be used to achieve this if you have trouble doing it naturally, they don't HAVE to be used.

Hope this helps anyway