So here is alook at my situation.
First I am new to the PUA world. Thank god I was bless with good looks or I would of never been laid at all. However the reason I have actually entered the game was because my good look would only get maybe 25% of the girls I wanted. Now yea some people think I should not be complaining but eventually my looks will fade and I will be stuck with no game at all. And I so want to destroy the AFC in me.

Anyway that is a quick look at myself. Now my situation.
I lived with a two other people that were a couple for about a year. Recently the guy has left the picture and I decided I wanted this girl. Of course being the AFC I made some bad moves, and a new dude has entered the picture. Now something I failed to mention above about myself is I am very competitive. I look at this new dude and he should not be with this girl. So I made it my goal to seduce her.

Step 1: I followed someone idea to make the other guy look like a nice guy. When ever he does an AFC move like buy her flowers, coffee, stuff animals ... I say what a nice guy he is. When she goes out with him I tell her to have a nice time. Basically I wanted to get "nice" and this "guy" into her head. From what I read on someone else post nice guys usually end up in the friend zone due to not being sexually appealing anymore.
Step 2: I started going out more often. Letting it slip that I'm going out with Jessica, Julie.. so on. Usually its true I am going to hang out with them but they are on a scale 1-10 from 2s to 4s. Not to appealing for me. But hopefully any girl will do. And of course when ever she ask me if I had fun, its HELL YEA.
Step 3: I started flirting more with her. When she would walk by showing her legs or stomach I would comment how sexy that part of her body is. Then I would NEG. Like your legs are sexy as hell. Wow your feet are tiny.
Step 4: Escalate physical contact. Find ways to touch or cress her. If she sitting on the floor I help her up using her hand. I also try to throw in a NEG here and there if appropriate. For example: If she is in my way, I gently touch her hips/mid-section and tell her she is in my personal space and I would have to start charging her.



Now my mistakes that I noted. Feel free to tell me if there are way more. I really am a complete AFC trying to use some PUA moves I have read about.
1) I have stated my intention in a text message one night when I was at a club.
Text message said: " I such a crush on you. I'm out having fun and your the person on my mind."

The next day when she asked about it I played it off as being completly true. Like it was no big deal. Its just a crush... Smiled and said I was going out with so and so tonight.

2)I throw a party one night and invited her. She says no because she doesn't like some of the girls that were going to be there. So that day I bought a rose from the store and purposely left it on my dresser so that when she walks by she will see it and ask me about it. I told her it was for her but only if she came tonight. She giggles and walks aways. So later that night she come for a little while and I of course give her the flower. A few hours later she was gone to the other guys house. I of course say have a "nice time with so and so"
3)When she talks to me about the other guy and how much she like him I listen and say he sounds kind of insecure. Most insecure guys give gifts all the time in hope that the girl will stay interested. I think that my advise made me sound jealous so I quickly attempt to recover by saying maybe he just a nice guy showing you how you should be treated.

4)I think complement her to much with out making her work for them. Which is a complete AFC move I fight desperately.

Ok so these are the few mistake I have notice. So far this game plain has been in the works for about 2 weeks. My progress is still minimal. She still talks to the nice guy and I only get a few small IOIs.

Note: I have known her for about a year, not as friend but rather an associate I live with. I rarely hung out with her or talked with her one on one. And her ex was my best friend but not any more.

If anyone has any good tips of what to do next or what not to do again please feel free to comment .

First off, what are your intentions? Are you just looking for a hookup, or do you genuinely like her for more?

If it's just a hookup, I'd say forget it. You know the saying, don't shit where you eat. Besides, IMO it's rotten to try and sabotage her current relationship just because you want to nail her.

Now if you really like her for more, just cut the games and tell her. You know her, she's not some random chick you need to pull game on. If she's into it, great, if not, at least you know.

The thing to remember is that you LIVE WITH this girl. If a relationship between you two goes bad, or you just hook up and leave her feeling hurt and used, remember she lives with you, she can make your life a LIVING HELL.

I know from experience. If something goes bad between the two of you, she can make it very awkward for you to date someone else, or at least bring them over.

Now I'm definitely NOT an experienced PUA, but like I said, I have experience living with a chick.

Think this one over REAL hard.

Thats Good advice take it

Also the fact you've known this girl for a over year and now your suddenly coming on to her you could be making her feel extreme discomfort. Now by all means the guys she's dating is a complete chump, but he's also and escape from your all of a sudden unclear intentions towards her. Also thats your former best friends girl.... she might think your trying to get in her pants as some sort of revenge dont make the mistake of thinking this girl is completely clueless

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This is some really great advice Bo. Don't discredit yourself just cause you aren't the best with women, your experience is totally valid and I'm glad you said what you did!

The first thing that popped into my head when I saw the title to this thread was, "Oh...that just seems like a bad idea!" and then it repeated several times over.

First you need to stop negging her all the time. You're creating mixed messages. Just show her that you're secure and attracted to her. You can tease her, that's a great idea and what you should be doing, but negging her is like smacking her in the face and then appologizing, or saying "you're pretty...but you've got an ugly nose".

Exaggerated perhaps, but read that sentence again and imagine if someone did those things to you. Did you do it? If not, FUCKING DO IT, I'm not kidding! Kinda gave you this weird feeling and left you scratching your head didn't it? You're thinking to yourself, "Why did they do that? Why were they a jerk, but then trying to be nice to cover it up? Or making me feel good, then saying something to purposely hurt me? I feel...all confused now."

That's what negging does to girls and that's how they feel. It doesn't cause attraction, it causes uncertainty and a feeling of inadequecy so that they attempt to impress you in order to make themselves feel alright again, not because they actually care whether you like them or not. Kinda fucking sucks don't it? All negging is, is something that insecure people use in order to bend others to their will and make them dance for them because that makes them feel superior. You dont' need to do that if you're a cool guy and you sound like a cool guy and if you're not as cool as you'd like to be, then THAT'S what you should be focused on learning, not how to fuck with a girl's head in order to make her dance for you.

Secondly, cut the supplicating. You said it yourself, you're giving her compliments all the time for no reason. Now you said, "when she hasn't earned them," so I'm interpretting a bit here and hopefully I got it right, cause people don't always need to "earn" compliments, they just make people feel good and if you like a person and they haven't been a jerk, then they deserve to feel good, so they've "earned" it. Just don't over-do them or they lose their value.

Did you know that that diamonds aren't rare? (No, this isn't off-topic, just bare with for a second and listen to what I'm saying.) They're not though. There's enough diamonds in the world that if the companies that possess those diamonds were to release them all onto the market, they would be worth very little. That $15k wedding ring would be worth less than a grand, perhaps the gold would be worth more than the big fat chunks of diamond on it! That's a fucking mind blowing thought isn't it?

That's what you're doing when you give girls compliments an inordinate amount. I'm not saying make them jump through your hoops and do things to impress you enough to deserve them, cause if you like them, then they deserve them for some reason already. Just don't flood the market with them, or they lose all their value and even the nicest compliments are only pleasant and the regular ones are a dime a dozen.

Now that I've said that stuff, remember what Bo said and if you aren't actually interested in something serious, or you don't think that you can have a "roommate's with benefits" type situation, then just look elsewhere. If you do want something more serious, then it's still a risky proposition, cause if something does go wrong, you're in a tough situation. I'm not saying don't do it, I'm just saying make sure you think it through!

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The thing I see very frequently is guys getting into the PUA community and start off by gaming that special girl that they had a crush on since third grade. Well, thats a big mistake!

In the beginning you have got some routines and it will improve your game but not to the extent that you are invincible or flawless. You will still lose like 75% of your sets.

So my advice is. Do not game this girl until you get better. Practice on sets that do not mean anything! Random sets in random bars. Practice practice practice. Then go for the important ones!

Thanks for the advise everyone. I think I will follow it and finish up my lease and get a new house. I made it 10 months whats 2 more. I was feeling a bit guilty having a crush on her and playing games to change my situation anyway.
Nice thing about crushes ; they can easily be replaced or fade away if your not around the girl any more.

What the heck is going on here?

First off, if you like this girl, then try it out . . . If you were able to get along with her while living with her for 10 months, then the two of you are probably already a better "couple" than most married people.

The advice about "telling her" is in my mind wrong. The "game" . . . at least a GOOD game, never ends. Just because you lived with her for 10 months doesn't mean you need to sit down with her for those crazy awkward, "Eh. . . I think I like you . . . " talks. Due to reasons of proximity of living quarters, she has automatically tossed you in the "FRIENDS CORNER". The only thing a "heart to heart" can accomplish is for her to drive you deeper into the friends corner or in fact toss you out of that column all together.

Rye is right about your negs. Stop now. And instead of tossing her all those mushy messages by TELLING her this crap, DEMONSTRATE your intentions. Take her to fun events. Go out where women drool over you. Go out where she sees that the other guys wish they were you. Be a man . . .

Then all it takes is one night at a club. Take her there. Stop being such a wuss. If she wusses out from a night out, tell her, "What are you a wuss? Toss on some clothes, I'll introduce you to some of my friends . . ." Later on in the club, take her to a corner and stick your tongue down her throat.

Then either get packing and move out or get packing and move into her room. Done deal.

This mushy "not this and not that" or "I won't even bother because it probably won't work" kinda shit just drives me up the wall. I have never ruined a "friendship" by feeling up a pair of knockers. . .

. . . and leave that, "I don't want to ruin this friendship" crap to insecure women. It's their anthem. No need for us to steal it.

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This is some really great advice Bo. Don't discredit yourself just cause you aren't the best with women, your experience is totally valid and I'm glad you said what you did!

Exaggerated perhaps, but read that sentence again and imagine if someone did those things to you. Did you do it? If not, FUCKING DO IT, I'm not kidding! Kinda gave you this weird feeling and left you scratching your head didn't it? You're thinking to yourself, "Why did they do that? Why were they a jerk, but then trying to be nice to cover it up? Or making me feel good, then saying something to purposely hurt me? I feel...all confused now."

That's what negging does to girls and that's how they feel. It doesn't cause attraction, it causes uncertainty and a feeling of inadequecy so that they attempt to impress you in order to make themselves feel alright again, not because they actually care whether you like them or not. Kinda fucking sucks don't it? All negging is, is something that insecure people use in order to bend others to their will and make them dance for them because that makes them feel superior. You dont' need to do that if you're a cool guy and you sound like a cool guy and if you're not as cool as you'd like to be, then THAT'S what you should be focused on learning, not how to fuck with a girl's head in order to make her dance for you.

Secondly, cut the supplicating. You said it yourself, you're giving her compliments all the time for no reason. Now you said, "when she hasn't earned them," so I'm interpretting a bit here and hopefully I got it right, cause people don't always need to "earn" compliments, they just make people feel good and if you like a person and they haven't been a jerk, then they deserve to feel good, so they've "earned" it. Just don't over-do them or they lose their value.

Did you know that that diamonds aren't rare? (No, this isn't off-topic, just bare with for a second and listen to what I'm saying.) They're not though. There's enough diamonds in the world that if the companies that possess those diamonds were to release them all onto the market, they would be worth very little. That $15k wedding ring would be worth less than a grand, perhaps the gold would be worth more than the big fat chunks of diamond on it! That's a fucking mind blowing thought isn't it?

That's what you're doing when you give girls compliments an inordinate amount. I'm not saying make them jump through your hoops and do things to impress you enough to deserve them, cause if you like them, then they deserve them for some reason already. Just don't flood the market with them, or they lose all their value and even the nicest compliments are only pleasant and the regular ones are a dime a dozen.

Now that I've said that stuff, remember what Bo said and if you aren't actually interested in something serious, or you don't think that you can have a "roommate's with benefits" type situation, then just look elsewhere. If you do want something more serious, then it's still a risky proposition, cause if something does go wrong, you're in a tough situation. I'm not saying don't do it, I'm just saying make sure you think it through![/quote]

Thanks man!

And great thoughts about negging and compliments.

I've always though that myself - don't give too many compliments, it does more harm that good. I try to give just one or two, say about her hair, shoes or earings, something that she doesn't hear all the time. Especially shoes, women love thier shoes. "You're so beautiful", or "you have beautiful eyes" seems kind of cliche to me, I think they get bored by hearing that time after time.