I was smoking the other night, so yea everything I say, take it or leave it as being crazy. Anyways, I was really getting deep down into thinking about the alpha male, beta male relationship, and as I thought about it, and noticed my actions, which felt almost slow motion, I really pinpointed exactly what I was doing wrong, and exactly how to fix it.

We all (male and female) give someone else a shit test as a means to see what type of person they are, and somewhat try to control them. When you respond to a shit test in a way where you DLV, such as apologize or act awkward, you are instantly slightly less respected, in anyones eyes. People with low self esteem, and beta males tend to be easily manipulated by others because they respond to shit tests from others (in the form of a playful tease etc) by DLVing. They get less respect, in because they have lower confidence, they are looking up to this alpha because they are dependent on that alpha for how good they feel.

What I've really started to come to terms with, and is truly starting to meld into my subconscious, is that when you don't give a shit, you'll automatically respond to a shit test with a DHV. Because thats the primary inbred trait that alpha males have. They don't give a shit what someone else thinks when they express themselves. Every habit they have is on the basis that they act without caring how someone will react. They do what they want. If you say something completely crazy to someone else, and you truly don't care what they think of what you just said, then you'll never have a problem responding back to a shit test. They might think you're totally crazy, but they won't think you're some loser.

Now the thing that I really started thinking about that set me on this confidence boost was the fact that, I've been raised in an environment where I wasn't that confident. And because I'm learning this stuff now, and truly understanding the interactions, I will have a huge advantage over natural born alpha males because unlike them, the more confidence I continue to build, the more I actually understand why these interactions happen. People born as natural alphas never worried about these things, and never really learned it. So by gaining this confidence through competence, you really gain an upper hand over most people, and become the manipulator over them because you are confident, but at the same time, you know exactly how they'll react to what you do and say. This isn't just about picking up women. This about being powerful and influential in the world.


Any of this make sense or am I just rambling?

I mean, I guess the main idea is simply that you should always know you are right, and therefore always stick up for yourself, just in a lot more words. You should not give a crap about going up to a random girl and being like, "hey baby whats up?" Obviously, you shouldn't do this, and thats what separates us from dumb jocks and those guys who were born alpha but really aren't very bright. The difference is, as we learn more and more, we know exactly what to say to people to avoid conflict and at the same time become dominant in the pack through the use of DHV

natural alpha males???
is there such a thing

some guys who seem alpha were ridiculed by their father so much that if u fuck with them enough they will break down (not a pretty sight) im not tenacious enough to maintain alpha male all the time, but i truely dont give a shit deep down in side (crazy like u said) so i do well lately

i used to be alpha then i fucked up my self confidence and went into depression now im back!

i was high when I thought up what I did. Looking back, I have a point, but the way I put it doesn't necessarily make that much sense... if that makes sense

It's a valid post. Part of the whole PUA thing is becoming an alpha male with shit loads of confidence. I like ur point about it not just being about pulling- the other day I went to a party and was really confident and everyone got to know who I was, it was cool. Before PUA I would have probably just talked to the people I knew and not bothered to introduce myself to everyone else. I noticed an apsolutely massive difference in how people react to u... I love it.

You made a lot of sense to me and articulated yourself well, despite the fact you were smoking. I don't make a habit of it but I've smoked myself in the past and I know the kind of clarity you see things when you're in that state. It seems a bit of a contradiction to anyone who's not experienced it, but that's how it is, perception or no.

What you're saying about the 'learned' alpha as opposed to the 'natural' alpha is in my opinion true, though there's something that we shouldn't forget about the nature of human psychology.

The strongest conditioning we will ever experience comes from what we learn in early childhood. So, when you're growing up and you are developing into an alpha male, you'll always have a deep seated confidence within you, and this will be your default state of being. Sometimes this can breed arrogance in the face of adversity, and can be seen by others as a threat.
On the flipside, if you're developed early into a beta male, you'll probably default to a deep seated sense of humility and low self-worth. Some people can see this as weakness, others as modesty.

But if you learn to be alpha, you gain the best of both worlds - you will always resort to a humble guy when things are bad, but when you get a grip on things, you can easily swing it back into a deliberate alpha state.

With regards to the shit tests, I think if you learn NOTHING else from PUAs, then shit testing is a skill you should come away from the forums with because it will CHANGE your life.
Infact just from reading that short passage you wrote about shit tests there, it's reminded me just HOW FAR I have come since before I started this game.

This made my day. And yes, it makes perfect sense, lol

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The OP is so right.

I've played table tennis since I was young. Then I started to take classes and began to understand how I was doing what I was doing. Temporarily I got worse. Then I improved and am better now than I ever would have been without training. From unconscious competence to conscious incompetence ending in conscious competence. Meaning a trained alpha is better than a natural alpha

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Yea there is. Think about it. Remember when you were young and playing with friends. There was always one kid in the group that would say something like "Nah, I don't wana play YOUR stupid game! I know! Let's do (Insert whatever) instead!" and even though no one really wanted to they did. Why? Because he was given alpha male status by his father, or other male authority figure as well as his friends who never
stood up to him thus, becoming alpha males themselves and branching off into new subgroups with his own beta friends. WOW! EPIPHANY. I think this also is a base explanation of Gang theory. Two alphas CANNOT exist in the same group. If another arises one of two things must happen.
1. The original alpha respects the new one in front of the betas granting him Social Proof and their (Alphas) friendship grows and they leave their betas in search of other alpha types.
OR
2. The original alpha sees the new alpha as a threat again granting the new one Social Proof by demonstrating that they MUST compete for leadership of the betas. This is done to demonstrate that there is clearly only room for one alpha in the group.

Result: Either an alpha splits off or the group is split up in two following each alpha respectively based on what is basically a difference of philosophy.
Hmmm. I think I am really beginning to understand this shit.

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