Hey guys,

If you want, let's list a list of thoughts and techniques specific to gaming the hottest girls, and then feel great about using them.

Because I have varying rates of success with 9.5+'s, especially ones I know or have known I find it an uphill struggle.

So I'll put in my two cents first:

1. Throw in way more negs than usual. Shotgun negs.

2. Use freeze outs only after a DHV, best used when gaming/pawning her friends. If you freeze out on your own she might just leave it. Heck, another 10 hot guys are gonna approach her in the next minus two seconds.

3. Learn how to reframe shit tests!! There are so many.

4. If you're going direct game, it has to be MEGA C&F and with a mega strong frame. Otherwise best is to go indirect.

5. Be more prepared to carry on conversation as the hottest girls are often too dumb to carry on spontaneous conversation or make you do the work.

I need to go now...but when I come back I hope you'll leave some of your thoughts to help!

Do the opposite of this and you be good. The hotter the girl the less likely she gets hit on, in turn means less negs are needed.
Never ever do this. This is most probably one of the worst things you can do in picking up any girl. If you do this you just allowed the girl to forget about you when the next guy approaches her. At least # closer her and move on.
You don't need MEGA C&F. You just need a strong frame and C&F for direct game.
This is pretty stupid thing to say. Just because the girl is hot does not make her dumb.

i would like to point out a couple things instead of directly answering:


girls who know how to dress and do makeup can take their attractiveness up maybe 1.5 or 2

girls seem hotter in the presence of less hott girls (amplified when ur TRYING to sarge)

make sure ur not one of these guys whos scale starts at 4

thats me. i cant lie. i never rate girls below average

ur 9.5s might really be 8.5s


and self confidence/maturity/relationship status play a big role. also if the girl is the alpha female of her group or trys to prove herself to her friends too much that might be a factor too


seriously think about my thing with starting your scale at 4. alot of times i call an average girl a 6 or 6.5 when really she is a 4 or 5...

To Eminem, I've been playing the game for a while, and when I say 9.5, i mean an 9.5, not an 8.5. I'm not dumb.

To Jurupa, interesting points there. Although you've swayed me a little I will have to remain disagreeing with you because I've tried what you said in the field with limited success. I disagree that the hottest girls aren't approached often. I think it's a myth. Even if they aren't approached, they are perved over, given the eye etc. And when they are approached, it is sloppy or from amogs.
^That was regarding to freeze outs after DHV. Again I disagree. When I'm 10 minutes into the set, in A2 perhaps, I need to show the HB9+ that I'm not needy. I know there are other ways of conveying this, but I think if she's not responding to compliance tests or IOI's are limited then it's worth winning her friends in order to win her. The girl would not forget about me because I'd either lock in with a prop (like my hat) or have been unique enough by building enough attraction to begin with. I don't do # closes generally, only for MLTR's.
Disagree. If you're going direct game, the girl will just blow you out to hell and back because she's so hot and has had it a million times before. That's why you need to be over the top (but not arrogant, and within reason).

Example: Last Wednesday I approached HB9.5 by saying "Hmm, you look kinda cool, I'm beginning to like you already" (Direct game, me being selective, i.e. metaframing me as the prize). Then, I bitch slapped her.

She responded by slapping me back (as they always do), so I blocked it. She then grunted in a playful way (for which I busted on her afterwards) and proceeded to beat me up (with her ring on). She actually hit me really hard in the face, and immediately after felt REALLY sorry haha and kept trying to hug me. Of course I allowed her a little then pushed her off and continued push & Pull theme. It worked great.
I said *OFTEN*. I phrased my words carefully so typical people like you wouldn't disagree for the sake of disagreeing. The HB I slapped I was talking about was very clever, but she let me do all the talking to test me out and see if I was worthy. I # closed her because I had to go in the end. 15 mins.

The stuff I posted in response won't work in field without the other things that I do. If you want I can pm you what I do in field. As far as hot girls not being approach that often, I am mostly going by what I have observed where I live.
I see where you are coming from, but I still think its a bad idea even if you lock in with a prop. And being unique enough won't cut it. I seen guys that where able to stand out and loose the girl because another guy comes in for the kill while the other guy lost what he had going. I agree that showing that your not needy is good but you risk the chance of loosing the girl by freezing her out even after DHV. I say it is better to semi freeze out the girl/target by talking to her friends instead of her but at the same time acknowledge her existence as well. But use what she says in response as a way to continue the conversation with the friends. Its kinda like as if your hearing a voice and your responding to what it says without talking to the voice.
You just need to be different, not over the top. And by different I mean approaching the girl with the intention of getting to know her but at the same time being disinterested or not being desperate/needy. When you said: "Hmm, you look kinda cool, I'm beginning to like you already" that's basically what I am talking about.

I didn't see the often my bad.

Hmm, cool, i've learned a fair amount from you. Nice debating. You don't have to, but if you feel like swapping basic outlines of personal tactics or strategies then feel free to pm me =).

If anyone wants to add tips for gaming HB9+'s then please do so! What are your experiences!??!

When I get the time I post what I do when it comes to more attractive girls.

Or, you could forget all the memorized crap, and do direct which is what i do.And 9/10 times, i'll get the same results or better

^I'm skeptical. I'm not a majorly experienced player but I'm not new to the game either. I've never gone direct on a girl HB9+, because I just think I'll get blown out - hot girls get guys telegraphing their intentions all the time, directly or indirectly. Why be another guy perving over them? That'll just activate all the bitch switches and they'll blow you out in no time. The hottest girls are pro at blowing out guys like that because they have to do it all the time. Have you field tested your direct game to girls who are ACTUALLY 9 or higher? And if so specifically what game do you use...

Well. Here's the thing and i love telling people this because their so fkin stupid. not you, just other people. OK anyone who is following Mysteries style,or neil strauss is going to BELIEVE that you cant go direct with hot girls. I do it all the time almost everytime. and it fuckin works cause i got 2 hottys numbers yesterday. And i did everything but neg.

Ok bro, i was walking into walmart the other day, and i saw a sexy hispanic girl walking out. I immediately walked up to her and said exactly "i love your style your so cute" (with a smile) She was very flattered, and smiley, and i said can you even cook? lol and whats the funnest thing that you do? blah blah. and i got her number, easily.

Next, i was actually leaving and there was a cute little girl about 17 or 18, and i went up to her, not like in her face. and i said THIS "Are you waiting for the bus? (smiling) She said yea, and i said IT BROKE DOWN DOWN THE ROAD. lol (i fuckin love saying that) and immediately after she smiled and said "realy?" i said your cute though. i do piggy back rides, but i charge, and i dont go more than a mile.(i heard this from somebody, so i liked it and used it.) I ended up saying we can grab something to eat.. can i get your number? BOOM got her #.NO fuckin routines. Although i reccomend you memorize like 2, just to build some attraction.....But from there, i will call both and ask a stupid question like "are you a player?""im trying to figure out blah blah" then hang up.......later, a day or 2, i will arrang a date. And i know they want me. Ask if you have questions...

But mind you, i have been good because i have been practicing.When you practice, you become comfortable and player like, and that makes any kind of approach work well.

^Sounds good. Two things I remain unconvinced about though:

1. How well that direct game converts to lays.
2. You described them as 'cute' and 'sexy'. To me a HB9+ is MIND BLOWING. And I think the game is different for them.

But yeah, what you said sounds good, well done. Keep up the practice you will do well. Like my metaframing and amogging? Haha.

Anyway, I can get any girl's number in a 3-set or less within 15 mins, usually 5. I usually have to play a little text game too though otherwise they often flake.

HB9+'s though, to get the lay, the whole pick up can't be too easy, I have to make them feel like they've worked for it. After all, I am the prize, with my amazingly good looks and acrobatic moves in the bedroom, along with effective C&F one-liners

Any other tactics to share, specifically for HB9+'s? I seriously do mean, the hottest of the hottest girls!

Fist off before I get to what I do when it comes to hotter girls, I need to make it clear that what I do is social engineering as I view PUA as a forum of it. So if you do want to use my method/ways please at least do some research on social engineering first, so that you will understand where I am coming from and why my methods are such. Now to the fun stuff.



By the time girls reach their early 20's they will have a pretty good idea to how attractive they are according to society. And so the HB9+ usually know they are already attractive. So there is no need to really give them any compliments at all. As your first and basically only compliment was you approaching them. Another thing to note is the HB9+ girls may have an ego or attitude of "I am to hot for you" and may even come off as being cocky even.

The real key in dealing with HB9+ is completely and utterly ignore their looks. She knows you are physically attracted to her, why else would you had approach her? And treat her as if she is any other girl. There is no reason to treat HB9+ differently as for one its an AFC trait, and two she is really no different than any other girl out there ya she is more physically attractive but when you get down to it, she is yet another girl to talk to. Saying that never ever come off as you just wanting to have sex with her, but come off as you wanting to get to know her and who she is. Because you stand a much better chance in getting her that way and for that matter any girl you approach.

I know there was a thread here saying not to neg girls and what have you, but if you run into a HB9+ that is giving you the "I am hotter than you" ego/attitude, neg her. Because she is more than likely use to AFC's falling for her frame and just using one neg it may very well catch her off guard and knock her frame out. Which gives you a chance to make yours even stronger.

Also girls that are HB9+ may very well throw up a bitch shield. There are various ways to go about knocking them down so I won't go there. But I will say that if and when you get one keep in mind she most probably has a reason to why she put one up, and more than likely it has to do with the way guys have viewed her.

As far as routines goes and what have you, just use the same stuff you use on other girls. As I said before HB9+ are just more physically attractive than other girls. The only real thing you have to do is work on the mindset I posted above as well as your inner game and your frame. As your frame has to be at least reasonable.

I don't close every HB9+ with the above stuff, but for me at least it works most of the time.