Hello there, my name is Jay- I use to belong to another Pick-up/speed seduction forum, but it takes a few days for a decent response and I kind of need help by tonight. This girl I used to date and have absolutely amazing sex with a few years ago I suddenly ran into at the food store the other day, while I'm still working on my "game" I decided to try and pattern her and try to build rapport to see if it would work since I knew in the past how she normally would've responded. It worked very well and she started to get all gaga and started to react to my kino, I leave abruptly to keep her chasing and told her to give me a call the next week. She calls me last week and stops over my house to watch a movie, now she has a b/f who she lives with now and theyve been together for about a year, but boy would I love to smash this thing one more time for old times sake... So I try to go through the routine and she starts to buy it, flirting right back with me; I tried some "alienating the boyfriend routines" from Ross and it seemed as if all were good, she even was flirting with me and I got her to go in the bathroom and take pictures in her underwear with my phone for me. I think I'm in after that manuever so I finally tried the "kissing bet" routine, - I bet I can kiss you without using my lips or tongue- she laughs and says yea right, I go in and plant it on her smooth as shit... then she pulls back and gets all offended saying she can't believe that I did that!?!?

<BR>> Anyway tonight she is coming over for dinner, my last attempt at this before I kick her out of my life again. Does anyone have any ideas on what I could do, say, pattern to close this chick just one last time? Any help would be much apreciated fellas- I know I am new to this forum, but if theres more traffic and resources at this site, I will tend to stick around and give any advice I can also... Thanks

-Jay

Sounds like you're doing well so far. I believe girls lead with their pussy, so get the pussy wet and you'll convert her mind.

To be honest, I've gamed a lot of girls with bf's and my morals often get in the way. Now what I do, is just get on the topic of how cheating is natural (obviously don't call it cheating), and then Ross-Jeffrey's style attribute one side of them as normal and abiding (and boring, without saying it), and the other side 'you sometimes feel your other side just wants to cum out, or go back in and then out when you realise you just want to grab something, i mean there are no hard and fast rules but often it's best to just go for it when you see something you really want in front of you, because it's really sad when people regret things afterwards. Have you ever had that feeling of regretting something you wish you'd done, even if it was a bit naughty? I've had that too, and you wouldn't want it to happen again. With me, don't worry though, I can make you however happy you wan't to get, but I don't know if you're adventurious enough for me..."

(End to get her qualifying, then lead into sexual thread).

I just made that up on the spot, but keep SS-ing her, or patterning her whatever you call it, then calibrate to see if she wants it. If she doesn't want it, then I would just leave it, because a proper and true relationship is way better and more respectful than any PUA shit, and if you've ever been cheated on AFC-style you'll know how SHIT it feels.

Having said that, she wouldn't come round so much and for dinner etc if she didn't want it, so yeah, go for it man.

^Oh yeah, the point of attributing "A PART" of them as cheating (but dont call it cheating), is that they will agree to it easier. I.e.

(leading in from patterning)-"I mean i'm sure there is a part to you also, however big or small that sometimes just sees a really hot guy (self point/anchor), and wants to get it on with them. Perhaps it's like a vaccum you just want to fill in order to feel all warm inside again"

ETc etc.

Because everyone has different parts to themselves. I guess this is kind of OMS-style.

Thanks R Gamble!

Definitely some good advice there, for coming up with that first script off the top of your head it seems very good with a lot of potential to grab her in. Some of the B/F "smash" patterns that I deployed before would only get so far in secluding him in her mind. She def without a doubt wants it!!! she even would bring up last week how great the sex used to be and seriously, I could be wrong, but I know if my g/f was over her ex's house and was giving him naked pictures(that she just took in his bathroom) to put on this phone- I Would be pretty pissed off and some may even label that as cheating. Hope I pull this one off, it would be a big boost and really help me roll right into the routine for the this weekend.

<BR> I agree with you about not trying to interfere with a true relationship and "real love" because yes when I was an AFC I had my hard crushed when this chick I was dating for awhile ended up hooking up with some other dude/dudes down at college which pretty much led me to study the game and the art of these tactics and why I am here today. Having so much fun right now doing this stuff while still trying to constantly learn; feel a lot better about myself and seeing some results after only the first few months I began to read up- way more confident too. Like I said the old forum seemed like its dead with only a few people still floating around so I am glad I found this community and would like to stick with it and actually have some fellow Alpha's too converse with and help each other out. I appreciate the ideas and help- I'll let you know how it works out for me- but hopefully this works and I'm giving you a big thank you- haha

<BR>Thanks Buddy

-Jay

No worries Jay, let us know how it goes

R. Gamble- This is what really makes me wonder about women... 6:00pm HB arrives at my humble abode- O cook my "guaranteed to get you laid dinner"(A Cajun Chicken Pasta- I used to be a high end cook and this brings tons of praise in case anyone wants the recipe) and of course I cook the meal and have a nice chilled bottle of Prosseco to go with it. We wrap up dinner about 7:20pm and we go into my living room and watch some TV. She already starts bringing up dirty talk about whether or not I have ever cared for women in erotic lingerie, which is a big yes! She apparently bought something from vicotrias secret earlier in the day- she actually asked if she could use my computer to bring up the exact set to show me. I let her and it was very nice- I said "it is nice to see what you bought, but honestly I think you should just show me yourself in person and I can tell you if your b/f would like it or not. She laughed and was flirting hard, I did the cube on her and had her eating out of my hand- I managed to get a kiss and land some above the clothes shit- grabbing ass and tits as if I was a guinea pig to what she was saving for her b/f. I tried your suggestion and she started to agree with it "I am in the moment and it feels so good so I don't think there is a need to stop"... then as soon as I start to take her shirt off she freaks out like I'm completely out of line again and says who wat r u doing????. She is sending a lot of mixed signals to say the least and I'm not sure WTF I am doing or maybe she is just not going to "go for the bait" and I should just release???? I really want to smash this one last time, but I don't want to slip up and come off as needy to her because she is just one HB in the game and object of my affection. - She asked if we could hang out next week and I said maybe early next week because I was busy with the holiday and shit... Is it worth one more shot? What is there left to try? Should I just pack it in and chalk it up as a loss? help me out brother.... thanks