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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:46 am 
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I don't know if this feeling is common with all guys, but am I the only one who loses interest in women as a whole after sexual release of any kind? For example, let's say im going to a bar with the boys but before i go out i squeeze one out, as soon as I get to the bar i am not really interested in talking to women and would rather talk to my friends or even other guys. I just think males are far more interesting and complete as human beings than women (generally of course). Sometimes when I'm horny I'll be dying to talk to women but if im not i just cant push myself to be around them ,they bore the crap out of me.

I guess my point is, how can I be interested in women beyond the sexual? Most of the doable girls I've met throughout my life are just extremely boring and not unique or interesting or adventerous. Even the women I meet at the library are extremely 1 dimensional, do you guys have any tips on meeting attractive AND interesting women ?


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Its all you, its a choice, i find woman have femine quiltities thats are very interesting, makes me want to date them and get to know them. Its not that woman are boring, its that your making the choice of not keeping an open mind."In the great literature of all progressive societies, love is a verb. Reactive people make it a feeling.

They’re driven by feelings. Hollywood has generally scripted us to believe that we are not responsible, that we are a product of our feelings. But the Hollywood script does not describe the reality. If our feelings control our actions, it is because we have abdicated our responsibility and empowered them to do so.

Proactive people make love a verb. Love is something you do: the sacrifices you make, the giving of self, like a mother bringing a newborn into the world. If you want to study love, study those who sacrifice for others, even for people who offend or do not love in return. If you are a parent, look at the love you have for the children you sacrificed for. Love is a value that is actualized through loving actions. Proactive people subordinate feelings to values. Love, the feeling, can be recaptured." -stephon R covey- you see its your choice, you get to choose. Since starting the game I choose to notice woman have very good quilities and that they are a gift for men. And of course after letting one loose i feel the same way, but i don't listen to my feelings, i truly choose to like woman.

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Like Harley said, it's all a choice. Sure your sex drive may be reduced if you've gotten off (I know mine does) because that's the natural bodily response, but you can choose what you're attracted to and what you find interesting in people. I've written about this topic at length before and it's something that I spend days teaching in combination with other things that enforce it, so I can't quickly tell you how to go about doing that, but Awaken the Giant Within deals with concepts similar to that.

I highly recommend anyone studying this stuff reads that book, so do yourself a favor and pick up a copy and make sure you have a highlighter handy whenever you are reading! I'm serious, I burnt 3 out while reading it and highlighting stuff greatly increases your retention because while highlighting stuff you tend to read over kep concepts at least 3 times more that usual.

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You might be gay.

Sex is over rated. In out, in out. Lick, lick. Circle of the thumbs. Explode. Sugar coat it and it's just a sweeter in out, in out.

I like hanging out with the guys. Who doesn't? Bike trips, dive trips, fishing weekends, etc . . .

But I love sitting down and just sharing with a girl. Jeesh, their head on your shoulder, hand on your chest, leg folded over yours. In this position, I could in fact converse about the virtues of LV bags over Gucci. I can talk about how Vanessa is so bitchy and Jane's such a no good flirt. It's really not so much the details but rather a transfer of energy. The sex . . . well, that's just another extracurricular activity.

If you transfer energy better with men, consider it. Explore it. Why not? You only live once.


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You might be gay.

Sex is over rated. In out, in out. Lick, lick. Circle of the thumbs. Explode. Sugar coat it and it's just a sweeter in out, in out.

I like hanging out with the guys. Who doesn't? Bike trips, dive trips, fishing weekends, etc . . .

But I love sitting down and just sharing with a girl. Jeesh, their head on your shoulder, hand on your chest, leg folded over yours. In this position, I could in fact converse about the virtues of LV bags over Gucci. I can talk about how Vanessa is so bitchy and Jane's such a no good flirt. It's really not so much the details but rather a transfer of energy. The sex . . . well, that's just another extracurricular activity.

If you transfer energy better with men, consider it. Explore it. Why not? You only live once.
LOL I'm definately not gay...as I'm not sexually attracted to men in any shape way or form nor have I ever imagined a man in a sexual context. If I was a homosexual I'd be in good shape as I do transfer better with men, but in a comrade type of way not in a sexual way (IMO that is disgusting). I just feel with the women I know is that it's impossible to share anything with them and even harder to rely on them. Women always seem to be rushing and are just too cold and soulless, atleast in my experience.

Maybe its just the women in my city (NYC) who are like this.


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Maybe you don't have any friends? Always some AFC trying to alpha male some other dude cause he decides to talk guy stuff. Get real!
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You might be gay.

Sex is over rated. In out, in out. Lick, lick. Circle of the thumbs. Explode. Sugar coat it and it's just a sweeter in out, in out.

I like hanging out with the guys. Who doesn't? Bike trips, dive trips, fishing weekends, etc . . .

But I love sitting down and just sharing with a girl. Jeesh, their head on your shoulder, hand on your chest, leg folded over yours. In this position, I could in fact converse about the virtues of LV bags over Gucci. I can talk about how Vanessa is so bitchy and Jane's such a no good flirt. It's really not so much the details but rather a transfer of energy. The sex . . . well, that's just another extracurricular activity.

If you transfer energy better with men, consider it. Explore it. Why not? You only live once.


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pick one of your hobbies. Find a girl who shares that hobbie. Have sex with her. see if the shine is still on the apple. If it isnt, maby your gay. (JK)

I get what you mean, i seldom find interesting girls, but its not that there not interesting, its just we dont have commonalities. She loves fashion, i love football. The thing is though, you gotta push yourself to care, because eventually. You will want to care.


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You might be gay.

Sex is over rated. In out, in out. Lick, lick. Circle of the thumbs. Explode. Sugar coat it and it's just a sweeter in out, in out.

I like hanging out with the guys. Who doesn't? Bike trips, dive trips, fishing weekends, etc . . .

But I love sitting down and just sharing with a girl. Jeesh, their head on your shoulder, hand on your chest, leg folded over yours. In this position, I could in fact converse about the virtues of LV bags over Gucci. I can talk about how Vanessa is so bitchy and Jane's such a no good flirt. It's really not so much the details but rather a transfer of energy. The sex . . . well, that's just another extracurricular activity.

If you transfer energy better with men, consider it. Explore it. Why not? You only live once.
LOL I'm definately not gay...as I'm not sexually attracted to men in any shape way or form nor have I ever imagined a man in a sexual context. If I was a homosexual I'd be in good shape as I do transfer better with men, but in a comrade type of way not in a sexual way (IMO that is disgusting). I just feel with the women I know is that it's impossible to share anything with them and even harder to rely on them. Women always seem to be rushing and are just too cold and soulless, atleast in my experience.

Maybe its just the women in my city (NYC) who are like this.
c'mon man, so what your saying is every girl is boring except you? Everything starts from inside, sure its hard at first to accept that its you, but as the weeks go by you'll slowly change your view on woman, you'll never be a great pua if you keep your view, woman like guys who like woman. "He who cannot change the very fabric of his thought will never be able to change reality, and will never, therefore, make any progress" Anwar Sadat. Are you doing what you want to be doing? Try working on the inside, start from the inside out. Follow your dreams, cuase if you love yourself you'll love everything. But again, its your choice, keep at it, i'm sure you'll find a way.

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Bruce,

Not really sure why you're getting worked up over a thoughtful observation and comment. What do you have against gay guys? I have some gay friends. . . and one in particular drove himself crazy before he took the plunge and just admitted this to himself.

Yeah. . . everything the op is saying now. I've heard it over, over, and over again. This one friend of mine would say everything and anything that he could possibly think of to totally deny that he is gay. I mean he had this craziest fear. He'd go out, F chicks. . . go on dates, talk about pussy. . . etc . . . but then, he'd never bond with any women. He'd never talk ABOUT women . . . he would however only talk about their pussies.

So I'm not saying that the OP IS GAY. I'm just suggested that he "might be" . . . And if he's convinced that he is not, then he is not. It's simple. He posted and wrote for himself that he's not gay in any way. . . Either way . . . OK . . . right?

Some of you guys are so wrapped up with the "sex" part of the equation. . .

When I lived in Seoul 7 or 8 years ago, I used to frequent this hole in the wall restaurant. These two older ladies owned and ran the restaurant. Incredible F'ing place. Anyways, after a while, I've figured something out. These two ladies were in total, incredible, and complete love with each other. And I don't know what they did at night . . . (But both are married so most likely they probably just went home)

The way they'd look at each other. . . . smile at each other. The way they'd move. The way they'd touch. The way they'd chat with each other. There's absolutely no way to hide this. With all the "social rules" that they'd be breaking, I'm not sure even if they would admit this to themselves.

The only thing that they probably don't do . . . can't do is have sex. Are they lesbians or not?


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im 20 mins outside the city and ive meet a few girls that sex isnt even one of the first 5 thing to cross my mind while first meeting her.
but they are much rare to find. especially at th 18-25ish range i feel.


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pick one of your hobbies. Find a girl who shares that hobbie. Have sex with her. see if the shine is still on the apple. If it isnt, maby your gay. (JK)

I get what you mean, i sledom find interesting girls, but its not that there not interesting, its just we dont have commonalities. She loves fashion, i love football. The thing is though, you gotta push yourself to care, because eventually. You will want to care.
LOL i thought about this, but my hobbies are more of a secret i have to keep from women than a vehicle to meet them. I love history up to WWII and not to brag but know a lot. Well, to make a long story short, if you try to talk to a woman about history (even if it's something my guy friends find interesting or funny, like Ghenghis Khan having a feast over thousands of russians crushing them in the process) they usually put this bored look on their face. The reason I have trouble communicating with women is because they seem to lack depth or even a sense of humor (beyond 4th grade superbad jokes), it's really tough for me to share my passions (or participate with their passions) as they're just frankly not interested.

I think a lot of the time, despite the advice that to get women you still must "be yourself", that's a load of shit, in reality you have to be who women want which has a very narrow definition.


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If your reason for meeting women is primarily for sex then its quite likely that you are going to find women out for the same thing. Women who are primarily just out to get sex aren't that focused on having in depth personalities. It looks to me like you are searching for these type of girls and expecting that they somehow magically change what they are looking for and suddenly have in depth personalities.

If all you want is sex and you are losing your sex drive go get some viagra or go to your nearest vitamin store and get something to boost your libido, these things work I have tried them.

From a psychological standpoint it looks to me like you have some anger towards women. I don't know what exactly caused this issue in you, but I do know that it is making you make the irrational assumption that there are only 1 dimensional women out there. I think it's the way that you are viewing them. If you constantly evaluate all women as 1 dimensional and boring then all you are going to see is 1 dimensional and boring women. Perception is reality. I challenge you to perceive women in a much more positive light. To look for their inner beauty and not for whats wrong with them and what makes them 1 dimensional. I challenge you to open your eyes and look at the world for what it is both bad, and good. I think you will be an inspiration to many people if only you open your eyes and see women as they truly are. If you fail to look for depth in someone else then you are not a deep person yourself. You attract what you are my friend, open your mind, open your perception and then it may be much easier to open her legs and see all 3 dimensions involved.

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To answer the OP's original question,

I feel that way right after I masturbate or wake up in the morning. I just have no desire for women. Then a few hours pass and my balls start working again. 8)

But there's another time I feel this way for a MUCH longer period of time. I've only had one night stands...never had sex with the same girl more than once. Every time one of those happened, I felt sexually satisfied for at least the next week or two. Hardly thought of women at all. Kinda weird...


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Ok, I can help you out if your open to taking a small amount of constructive critasisum...What...you are? great:)

"Ghenghis Khan having a feast over thousands of Russian's crushing them in the process)"
If that is the type of thing your find interesting, i can understand why you get board looks.
I'm not hating, i apreciate that that's an interesting fact, and could be the answer to a Who Wants To Be A Millionaire question, thing is though, im not into history so much, so i dont care. How many realy hot girls are going to be deep into history? Not many. So its up to you to broaden your horrisons, and gain more interests.

To put it into perspective, i love football (soccer), i could talk for a hour about how good Gerrard is at long range shooting. If you dig "soccer" then your interested too, if your not into it, how long could you hear me go on before turning off.
The best example of this is when you get approached on the street by a charity worker, how long can you listen to them before turning off.

My point is, get some more universal interest's, most out door activities are good. This way you have a higher chance of sharing commonalities with a woman, ergo, a higher chance of finding them interesting.


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It's not what you're saying that is getting weird looks, it's how you say it. I can, have and DO talk to girls about anything and everything from Atari games, to Godzilla, to things about space, to Star Trek to the geeky fantasy books I like to read, to NLP, to pickup and even WWII!

Something I like to say to people is, "Now I don't think he was a good guy and I would have killed him myself if I had the chance, but without Hitler we wouldn't have many of the inventions we currently do, such as space suits and skin grafts for instance." Now if THAT doesn't compare to Genghis Khan, then I dunno what does. I get away with it though! I not only get away with it, but it works really well!

Like I said, it's not what you say, it's how you phrase it.

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