Okay boys, now Cinnamon needs some help.

I may not seem like it, but I've been a bit of a plain-Jane most of my life, nothing all that interesting has ever happened to me so the stories I have to tell are all pretty tame.

I'm also quite new to this and the only opener I've got that I'm comfortable with is the 'You know why you suck? I've been over there for like, fifteen minutes looking at you and you haven't even offered to buy me a drink' line which I follow up with a bit of 'we're broken up now' banter.

So essentially I need some good openers and routines to work on the boys.

Any help, links, lines, whatever you've got, would be much loved.

Cinnamon

Hokey pokey lets work you out some material.
Interview time;
What is your job?

Do you enjoy it?

If you could have any job what would it be?

What did you want to be when you were younger?

Do you have any hobbies?

Has anyhitng interesting happened to you lately?

What music do you like?

What do you usually wear, when you go out?

I know this is a bit lengthy and there is lots of talk of work but ambition is always good news.

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Alright here we go:
-I work one day a week at an Outdoor equipment/travel gear shop. I sell hiking boots, hiking poles, backpacks and the like. You wanna climb a mountain, I can get you set up.
-If you couldn't tell, I enjoy the job quite a bit. ^__^
-If I could have any job, I'd be in an ocean scuba-diving and looking at sea anemones, sea urchins, sea cucumbers, and other such strange ocean creatures.
-I wanted to be a Marine Biologist when I was younger, just like I do now.
-I don't have many hobbies, I like to go hiking and camping, but as a full-time student, my hobby is homework.
-Lets see...interesting things...I went for my first blood-test ever today. I wasn't happy about it and it hurt, but I wanted to have my STI test results to frame above my bed. I'm gonna do that too, I'm planning to start it as a new sexual revolution.
-I like pretty well any kind of music, I'm VERY into Japanese music but I also like alternative music and rock.
-I usually wear clothes that fit tight around my waist when I go out, I'm very proud of that part of my figure. I have a corset that I'd like to pair with plain jeans. I like kind of an exotic look, fishnets, corsets and short skirts when I can.

There you go, hope you can make something out of that for me. ^__^

Cinnamon

Hey girl. I know there isn't much info out there for girl game but hopefully these guys steer you in the right direction. From personal experience, negs don't work so well on guys. If you are approaching a guy, he is probably going to be taken aback like "what is this girl doing appraoching me...no one ever approaches me." So he won't have a bitch shielf up like women do, but he will be a skeptic for a bit. So if you open with "you know why you suck" you are already putting him down. Men have fragile egos. You don't want to tear them down too much because ideally, once you open them, you want them to take the reigns. But if you attack their ego they won't have the confidence to show interest in you and take the lead...men don't assume attraction like women do.

Also, guys like a little bit of a challenge. You need to appear attainable, but he has to work for you a bit because anything he puts time and effort into, he will appreciate. It is called investing. You made it too easy for him by saying that you have been checking him out for 15 minutes.

And lastly, you are asking for him to buy a drink for you in the opener. No respectable man that you SHOULD be with will buy you a drink if you ask him that quickly. You want to focus on high value men, and a high value man would realize that he is being used in that situation.

Like I said, guys don't assume attraction but the key to make sure they get the point that you are attracted to them is kino (touch). That is something they know means attraction...and it doesnt matter how good he is with women...he knows what it means. You can open a guy with anything really and he will be nice. Just say "I really like your shirt" or whatever. It sounds lame and almost too easy I know...but they will talk to girls--especially pretty ones. If you are too forward when you open, they will write you off as a slut so unless that is what you want, I wouldn't go that avenue. Remember kino is the key...and push/pull works well with guys too. That means give them some clues that you are into them (push) but appear as an attainable challenge (pull). I did this in the chat while you were there tonight just for fun with Zac Lui...

Me: Zac you have many ninja like qualities (compliment)
Him: Thank you
Me: Too bad I don't like ninjas (said playfully)

Oooh!
I get it...nice...

You are exactly right. Thank you so much for your advice! ^__^

I am officially a Bonita fan now.

Cinnamon

Hahaha, flirting with my boy now! Gonna get yourself into trouble with that one Bonita, he's too much of a nice boy for a girl like yourself!

Cinnamon, the best advice I can give you is not to pick up any fake stories that you learn from anywhere. You don't want guys telling you stories that aren't real just to impress you and trick you into getting into bed with them and men don't want that either.

Forget everything you've ever gotten into your head about how men are jerks that just want to get into your pants and they don't care about your feelings, who you are or anything like that. Ok, now there are guys out there that are like that, there's even a few of them on here, but for the most part men are actually great people and we are just as afraid of you as you are of us. We're afraid our emotions are gonna get hurt and we've got a long list of women that have hurt us in the past to back it up. We are looking for a girl that we can connect with and that isn't gonna put our hearts in the blender.

So be that girl. Be real, be honest, be kind, fun, playful and happy and you win! Sounds a lot like what you're looking for in a man I bet. Guess what, men and women actually want pretty much the exact same things. There is no battle of the sexes, so throw that concept out the window too!

As far as openers, just say, "Hi" and then talk about whatever is on your mind, whatever you wanted to say or the first thing that pops into your head after. We'll give you a chance to say something decent, so we're not gonna cut you off immediately if you don't have something earth shattering. For stories, just tell us interesting, funny stories about yourself. We don't need awe inspiring tales (although I'm sure you have a few, everyone I've ever met does), but we do want to get to know who you are to see if there's a connection to be made.

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to be fair you sound interesting enough and have ambition.
I think situational openers would work well or as Rye said a simple Hi would work well, especially if your frame is all good. From how you responded to teh questions I think conversation is where you will shine.
There are also lots of specialist areas that you are into like the J-rock and marine biology. In conversation its always good to convey your life as super cool, so saying that you will spend your days scuba diving and generally mooching around in the caribbean (it's not lying, its flirting) will put that across nicely.

Let me know how it goes. Also sorry for the no doubt hundreds of typos, I'm on a damn pc eurrgh

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exactly, it really depends on the type of guy you want to talk to...(not to degrade u) but if your just looking for a good time, a simple nice approach always works, TOUCH guys go crrrazy for touch, rub his head or just the little "oh stop" but with the playful smack or lots of kino.

now if you want more of an "upscale" or higher value guy hes gonna notice a girl whs just 'giving' it out there...be flirty, not to flirty but a little like "aww your so cute" u dont have to go crazy like oh i want u baby oh ya, no just the little cute things "your so cute" "omg and why are u still single?"

also...most girls dont do this but maybe buy HIM a drink/shot that will for sure land the deal, the guy thinking damn shes attractive, sweet, and she bought me a drink??

put it this way if a guy went up to a girl and said "i think your cute im interested lets chat"
umm ya more than likely NOT GONNA WORK

now if a girl did that exact same line...it'll work lol
just dont be shy hun really anything will work, its just how u want to look in the long run "easy and fun" or if u want something more serious or something just for right now

how do i say this. being a babe you probably won't have to work that hard.

im sorry if thats an insult to your effort but take it as a compliment...

guys usually dont have much of a problem talking to a hot girl who wants to talk to them

actually ur biggest problem will be trying to avoid the guy going into a catatonic stasus or some weird shit like that

lol


seriously tho:


my openers are usually situational but with a hint of dhv or flirtyness if my high value is already apparent


i think its good for a girl to develope pua so u dont just go around flirting with guys (which also works) but some assholes might try to label u in bad ways

situational openers are great if you're lazy like me but spontanious too.

they come out more natural than packaged stuff (for a beginner)

i second touching on guys. but only if he's earned it

especially if you dont want him or others to label u


he himself may label u =bad


we live in an unfair unequal world

*Edit: totally misunderstood previous post about asking guys to buy you drinks*

I'd suggest not asking guys to buy you drinks as an opener. In some ways it makes sense as a way to weed out the low value guys that just give in, but you're also gonna have a lot of guys like myself that pretty much instantly get turned off when a girl does that. I'm not even gonna consider you as testing me, I'm just gonna assume you're a spoiled bitch that expects men to treat her like a queen, so I'm gonna say something fasicious and wait to see if you got the snide remark. It's not that I don't know nice girls out there that ask guys for drinks, it's that every time a girl has asked me to buy her a drink and I've bothered to run game back on her, I have been thoroughly dissappointed and discovered a shallow and whiney bar girl.

Bonita is definitely in a better position to tell you how well it works, but I personally would suggest something that doesn't instantly weed out guys like myself. I know more than a few guys that do exactly the same thing and they're the kind of guys that I try to hook my female friends up with because of their high quality.

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Rye you gotta read the rest of the paragraph not just the first part of the sentence as I know you often do...but if you do you miss the goodness of my posts I was stating the fact that Cinnamon asked him to buy her a drink and that is not a good move for the same exact reasons you stated. No respectable man will buy a drink for a woman that asks because he will see that he is being used.

i have no respect for women that do that. i mean then they just fucking brag about it the next whole week like they think they r a genius.

i know two girls who party on and off campus like 5 days per week and always get some afc to buy them food at the diner or jimmy johns. they dont usually even eat it. they share their two plates like they are sampling shit.

i noticed this first when me and my buddy saw the girls (he used to be friends with one of them) and they were doing this to a guy. i convinced him not to pay for it and although the girls really thought i was cool for blowing their game out they were kinda pissed off and walked out lol

Yeah, I know only AFCs buy drinks, but mostly that approach is just to get rid of the anxiety of approaching boys.
If he did buy me a drink though I'd probably take it, look at him and go 'You buy a lot of drinks don't you?'.

But that was really the only opener I had at the time, now I've got a few more and I'd probably be comfortable just walking up to a boy and saying 'Hi, you're cute. (maybe go into a prim opener here) I just figured I'd come over and say hi.'

I also though of maybe opening with an opinion opener about fake eyelashes. "Guys, got a quick question here, you looked pretty fashionable so I thought you might know. Is it cool for a girl to wear false eyelashes? Or is it false advertising?"

So yeah, next on my list is attraction switches and calibrating my energy so I'm not a chipmunk.